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Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Dec 07, 2014 22:10:34

Would it bring Kemp and one of their top prospects?
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby dajafi » Sun Dec 07, 2014 22:31:55

Kemp makes no sense for the Phils. I'm guessing you'd want Amaro to flip him, but do you really trust him to do that?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Dec 07, 2014 23:04:08

dajafi wrote:Kemp makes no sense for the Phils. I'm guessing you'd want Amaro to flip him, but do you really trust him to do that?



Yeh, definitely flip him. The OF market seems weak and several contenders are looking. I don't trust Amaro to do it, but I'm just wondering what our assets are worth. Plus, it's fun to talk about trades. We should be talking more about potential trades, imho. Hope springs eternal, you know.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby JFLNYC » Sun Dec 07, 2014 23:24:37

In order to get better prospects you take Ethier. You can then flip him to the D-Backs who want him but their ownership doesn't want to give up Montero. That's OK for Phils since they don't need Montero. You ship him plus some cash and get so-so prospects, which you accept as part of the price of getting better prospects for Hamels and Ruiz.

Don't trust that Rube would even put all the pieces together, let alone get it done, but it's right there in front of him, even if it's just Hamels and Ruiz.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Grotewold » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:42:58

RealKen wrote:Hamels likely Plan B for #RedSox if they fail to sign Lester. Could they get both? Not out of question, sources say.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby lethal » Mon Dec 08, 2014 13:22:58

Monkeyboy wrote:So what could Hamels, Rollins, and Ruiz get us from the Dodgers? Realistically.


What if Utley went too? Would the Dodgers want all that? would we be willing to basically gut the team and push reset on all the memories? What could we get back?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Dec 08, 2014 13:51:05

that sure is alot of salary
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:15:22

I think they're pretty happy with Dee Gordon now, aren't they?
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Werthless » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:23:18

Between Gordon and Alex Guerrero, I doubt they are considering acquiring a 2b.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby CFP » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:24:09

Joel Sherman of NY Post says on Twitter there were 2 reasons Frenchy picked the Phillies:

1. Manuel promised to work with him to rekindle his career

2. Byrd will probably be dealt

Jeff Francoeur will be the opening day starter in right field for the Phillies. Book it.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Soren » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:25:32

CFP wrote:Joel Sherman of NY Post says on Twitter there were 2 reasons Frenchy picked the Phillies:

1. Manuel promised to work with him to rekindle his career

2. Byrd will probably be dealt

Jeff Francoeur will be the opening day starter in right field for the Phillies. Book it.


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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Napalm » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:27:10

i'm sure they made every indication to him that he can have an opportunity at the job, but thats just him being optimistic about his career of course

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Ace Rothstein » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:28:16

Chuck gon' turn him into the next Joey Bats

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Dec 08, 2014 14:58:51

Would bet serious money that he gets 300+ PA for the Phils. And that he is every bit as terrible as he as always been.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Dec 08, 2014 15:01:01

Has been worth -2.2 fWAR in last 3300 PA, which includes a 2.5 win 2011. This is how you build a winner.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby bleh » Mon Dec 08, 2014 15:04:08

CFP wrote:Joel Sherman of NY Post says on Twitter there were 2 reasons Frenchy picked the Phillies:

1. Manuel promised to work with him to rekindle his career

2. Byrd will probably be dealt

3. no other team wanted him

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Shore » Mon Dec 08, 2014 15:16:39

bleh wrote:
CFP wrote:Joel Sherman of NY Post says on Twitter there were 2 reasons Frenchy picked the Phillies:

1. Manuel promised to work with him to rekindle his career

2. Byrd will probably be dealt

3. no other team wanted him


4. Shore was running out of reasons to hate this goddamn front office. Wait, no I wasn't.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Dec 08, 2014 15:19:42

Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes 7m7 minutes ago

I'm told that Phillies would not insist on Swihart to make deal for Hamels

Scott Lauber ‏@ScottLauber 10m10 minutes ago

Phillies haven't identified any one player as "must-have" from #RedSox. But they'll need players from group of top prospects to move Hamels

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Dec 08, 2014 15:26:39

Scott Lauber is still alive?!

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Dec 08, 2014 15:27:56

think he's been on the boston beat since he left here.

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