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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Grotewold » Tue Dec 09, 2014 14:33:44

Six Org has us paying enough of Hamels' deal to get "several significant pieces" back

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:02:53

The Red Sox and Phillies have had discussions this offseason about a deal that would send left-hander Antonio Bastardo to Boston in exchange for a package involving infield prospect Sean Coyle, according to a major-league source with knowledge of the situation. It is unclear if those talks are still progressing, though the teams are known to be in contact due to Boston's continued interest in both Bastardo and Cole Hamels.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby 76erfan » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:09:08

connecting the dots

Hamels, Bastardo, Ruiz

for

Betts, Owens, Vasquez(the non Swihart catcher), and Eduardo Rodriguez


Fair for both sides?
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Grotewold » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:09:26

ReadingPhilly wrote:
The Red Sox and Phillies have had discussions this offseason about a deal that would send left-hander Antonio Bastardo to Boston in exchange for a package involving infield prospect Sean Coyle, according to a major-league source with knowledge of the situation. It is unclear if those talks are still progressing, though the teams are known to be in contact due to Boston's continued interest in both Bastardo and Cole Hamels.


Whoah what's the catch

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:19:33

I wish the Sox would do that deal, but I doubt it.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Phred » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:30:09

The Sox are interested in Ruiz? I thought it was the Dodgers that were interested in a catcher.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:39:00

JFLNYC wrote:I wish the Sox would do that deal, but I doubt it.


it actually makes a lot of sense for both sides. they trade a mid-tier prospect who is stuck behind a couple of guys in their system for an obvious need at the major league level.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Squire » Tue Dec 09, 2014 15:43:18

ReadingPhilly wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:I wish the Sox would do that deal, but I doubt it.


it actually makes a lot of sense for both sides. they trade a mid-tier prospect who is stuck behind a couple of guys in their system for an obvious need at the major league level.


And Rubegomery get another Philadelphia Private School icon.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:02:34

ReadingPhilly wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:I wish the Sox would do that deal, but I doubt it.


it actually makes a lot of sense for both sides. they trade a mid-tier prospect who is stuck behind a couple of guys in their system for an obvious need at the major league level.


Sry. I meant the larger deal.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:09:02

JFLNYC wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:I wish the Sox would do that deal, but I doubt it.


it actually makes a lot of sense for both sides. they trade a mid-tier prospect who is stuck behind a couple of guys in their system for an obvious need at the major league level.


Sry. I meant the larger deal.


ah, got ya. i'm with you on that one.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Squire » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:19:47

I think it would be hilarious if Ruben came home while making zero deals.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby 76erfan » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:29:20

i think its probably likely he makes no deals.

Then tells us groundwork was laid for moves to be made and season doesnt start til April. maybe throw in a we arent going to make a trade just to trade.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby bleh » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:30:58

we'll end up getting Sean Coyle for Cole Hamels

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:31:19

Agreed.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:32:01

and fangraphs will deem it a slight overpay for red sox.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:36:24

76erfan wrote:i think its probably likely he makes no deals.

Then tells us groundwork was laid for moves to be made and season doesnt start til April. maybe throw in a we arent going to make a trade just to trade.


Might even get a " if everyone plays a little better this is a team that contend for the division."
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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Dec 09, 2014 16:38:56

Squire wrote:I think it would be hilarious if Ruben came home while making zero deals.

Again.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby CFP » Tue Dec 09, 2014 17:57:00

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Orioles met with #Phillies today to discuss Marlon Byrd.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Dec 09, 2014 18:51:20

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Major league source insists that the Phillies are not active in trying to move Hamels [to Boston].

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Re: Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

Postby smitty » Tue Dec 09, 2014 20:49:35

CFP wrote:
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Orioles met with #Phillies today to discuss Marlon Byrd.


We'll get a skinny catcher and a sore armed reliefer.
Teams lie, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for bad. They do it to get an advantage while they look at the trade market or just because they can

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