My roommate didn't even watch the end of the Phillies game because he was so pissed off at the Eagles. He didn't speak to me for the rest of the night. Just sat in his room pissed off for about 4 hours then went to his girlfriend's house.

Couple things:

1. Maybe this is off-the-wall, but I think the most useful barometer for this stuff is what CSN is showing, and they preempted Eagles post-game live yesterday and started with the Phillies - for a while - on DNL today. I think perception is clouding you guys a little bit because of past slights.

2. I think you guys are in sort of a "can't talk" position because it's not like you are interested in fairness for the Philly teams, you want more Phillies because the Phillies are your favorite. I'm saying this as a huge Sixers fan. This summer, the Sixers made the biggest free agent acquisition in terms of team impact in Philadelphia since..... since.... ever? And it was third on SportsNite. I didn't hear any Phillies fans standing up for us, saying, "Hey guys, that's a big deal, way more important than a July baseball game, so let's give them the floor for a second."

3. Why do you care so much? There's tons of Phillies fans around. Saturday night was practically a Phillies fan parade in Center City. There was tons of us filling up every bar in town. There's no shortage. So some of us double as Eagles fans and there are some Eagles fans who don't care about baseball. For a lot of people, football is kind of more fun to watch, and I can't really hold that opinion against them, cause even to me, baseball gets boring sometimes.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Couple things:

1. Maybe this is off-the-wall, but I think the most useful barometer for this stuff is what CSN is showing, and they preempted Eagles post-game live yesterday and started with the Phillies - for a while - on DNL today. I think perception is clouding you guys a little bit because of past slights.

2. I think you guys are in sort of a "can't talk" position because it's not like you are interested in fairness for the Philly teams, you want more Phillies because the Phillies are your favorite. I'm saying this as a huge Sixers fan. This summer, the Sixers made the biggest free agent acquisition in terms of team impact in Philadelphia since..... since.... ever? And it was third on SportsNite. I didn't hear any Phillies fans standing up for us, saying, "Hey guys, that's a big deal, way more important than a July baseball game, so let's give them the floor for a second."

3. Why do you care so much? There's tons of Phillies fans around. Saturday night was practically a Phillies fan parade in Center City. There was tons of us filling up every bar in town. There's no shortage. So some of us double as Eagles fans and there are some Eagles fans who don't care about baseball. For a lot of people, football is kind of more fun to watch, and I can't really hold that opinion against them, cause even to me, baseball gets boring sometimes.

2. Moses Malone?

Housh you sum it up for me.

I love the NFL but the Phillies are far and away my favorite professional sports team. They are the only thing that comes close to rivaling my passion for PSU athletics.

The Phillies literally can affect my day in a positive or negative way. I have been in a good mood for weeks now and a lot of that has to do with the Phillies.

WilliamC wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:There's something profoundly wrong with people who let an Eagles loss damper their excitement about the Phillies.

I just don't know what to think. People have levels of love for each team individually. If you love one more you are going to have different emotions.

Well yeah--if you're not into baseball or the Phils, but you are an Eagles fan, then of course you're going to be bummed. That's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about a fan who roots for both the Phillies and the Eagles, and is more bummed than stoked now.

I'm not in the city, so I don't really have a sense of mood. But it seemed from Philly.com that the headlines this morning were--Eagles lose, or Eagles lose, Phillies win. There wasn't much on just the Phillies winning. Conlin's column seemed representative.

The most positive spin I could put on this is that Phillies fans are expecting more. It's premature for a huge celebration. But still, that's no reason to be bummed.

jp_chips wrote:2. Moses Malone?

::shrug:: Maybe. I'm too young for that.

Bucky wrote:KYW reports on the Sunday TV audiences:

Eagles- 900,000
Phils - 300,000


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If that's true, that's absolutely pathetic for the general sports fan in Philly.

SideshowBob wrote:

Bucky wrote:KYW reports on the Sunday TV audiences:

Eagles- 900,000
Phils - 300,000


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If that's true, that's absolutely pathetic for the general sports fan in Philly.

I don't believe those numbers for a minute. That is a little too outrageous.

considering that the phils were on cable and eagles on broadcast tv and the obvious ratio in the city in favor of eagles fans to phillies fans, those numbers aren't remotely surprising.

like, picture if the phillies only played 16 games in a season and they were in such a tough division that one regular season game would play a huge part in whether they make the playoffs. then, picture the sixers, or (insert team you don't care much about here) playing a first round playoff game. you'd watch the phils. the majority of the city feels this way about the eagles.

Also, while I won't admit I feel this way, there are lots of people who find football games a lot more exciting to watch than baseball games. Before stumbling on to Philliesphans.com, I was pretty strongly in that camp.

That's a good point, but the Phillies are already doing what the Eagles are hoping to do.

Every game means so much in the NFL and the season comes and goes so quick, but the Phillies are playing playoff baseball. I just find it hard to believe that if I went around and asked 1000 people what game they watched on Sunday(assuming the watched a game) that 750 would answer Eagles. I could see maybe 55 or 60 percent, but 75%?

milton bernard thompson wrote:like, picture if the phillies only played 16 games in a season and they were in such a tough division that one regular season game would play a huge part in whether they make the playoffs. then, picture the sixers, or (insert team you don't care much about here) playing a first round playoff game. you'd watch the phils. the majority of the city feels this way about the eagles.

No, you watch the playoff game. The Phillies were playing in a best of 5 series, one game in that is huge, far more important than 1 game of 16 in the regular season. The Phillies losing on Sunday would have been a massive big deal for their season and championship hopes, having a much bigger impact than the Eagles loss to the Skins.

I mean, if the point is that a person likes the Eagles more than the Phillies, hey that's fine. But it's pretty undeniable that the Phillies game on Sunday was far more important to their season than the Eagles game was to theirs.

well duh. the point is 80% of the city likes the eagles way more than the phillies. obviously anyone who cares similarly about both teams watched the phillies game.

I could understand a divide like that in Pittsburgh, but in a city that has had a good baseball team for quite a while now? That is F'D.

It's not like the Eagles are rewarding the city with Championships left and right.

milton bernard thompson wrote:well duh. the point is 80% of the city likes the eagles way more than the phillies. obviously anyone who cares similarly about both teams watched the phillies game.

Well, that's a different issue, but it still remains that the Phillies game was more important than the Eagles game. The fact that the Eagles season is only 16 games or that it was against a division team seems irrelevant to me in terms of the general choice. If you like he Eagles much more and can't miss miss one of their games, sure you watch that instead.

I'm just skeptical about that number. Far more people care about the Eagles in general, sure. But my impression is that most people care more about finally winning a championship than a love of any particular team -- Philly is no more immune to bandwagoning than any other city.

I just agree WilliamC -- 3 times the number of people watching the Eagles? Doesn't pass the sniff test to me.

I think there's also the matter of scarcity besides that of importance. I'm not as hardcore as a lot of you guys but I've logged more than a hundred hours of watching the Phillies, easy, so far this year. You only get 48 hours of regular season football. Sunday afternoons are cherished.

I confess I don't understand at all why anyone on a baseball-team-focused message board dwells overlong on the attention devoted (or not) to the town's football team.

I WOULD understand being interested in news accounts of the Cholly-Manny connection, such as that reported in today's NYTimes. Most of the article has to do with their Cleveland connection, but it also contains some provocative if not particularly statistically significant tidbits:

NYTimes wrote:Manny Meets Charlie. Again.

So far, whether by coincidence or design, the Phillies have been the lone N.L. team capable of neutralizing him. Including two games he played in June as a member of the Red Sox, Ramirez is batting .212 against the the Phillies in 33 at-bats with one homer and five runs batted in. During Manuel’s four seasons in Philadelphia, Ramirez has hit .269 with six homers in 19 games against them.

Not really clear how 6 hrs in 19 games is neutralizing him, but there you go

SideshowBob wrote:If you like he Eagles much more and can't miss miss one of their games, sure you watch that instead.

i don't know if you live in philly, but trust me the majority of the city cares a lot about the eagles and the majority of the city doesn't care about the phillies very much. a 3 to 1 ratio isn't surprising with the eagles on broadcast and phillies on cable.

also, you're missing the point of my theoretical example. as a big phillies fan in a world where the phillies play 16 games in a season (like most of the city feels about the eagles), you would watch a very important regular season phillies game over a first round playoff game of a team you don't care about like the flyers (i don't know what sports you like, so bear with me). this is how the majority of the city feels about football vs. baseball. it would take a world series game for the phillies ratings to come close to the eagles here, and i don't even know if they would quite catch them at that point.

milton bernard thompson wrote:

SideshowBob wrote:If you like he Eagles much more and can't miss miss one of their games, sure you watch that instead.

i don't know if you live in philly, but trust me the majority of the city cares a lot about the eagles and the majority of the city doesn't care about the phillies very much. a 3 to 1 ratio isn't surprising with the eagles on broadcast and phillies on cable.

also, you're missing the point of my theoretical example. as a big phillies fan in a world where the phillies play 16 games in a season (like most of the city feels about the eagles), you would watch a very important regular season phillies game over a first round playoff game of a team you don't care about like the flyers (i don't know what sports you like, so bear with me). this is how the majority of the city feels about football vs. baseball. it would take a world series game for the phillies ratings to come close to the eagles here, and i don't even know if they would quite catch them at that point.

I'm not in the city, so I can't really judge the mood there. The problem with this analysis is that it neglects the fact that the Phillies sold out a bunch of times this year.

Also, my memories of '93 are that this city really did take to the Phils in a different way. To be fair, things didn't really start popping until they reached the World Series, but as I recall, WIP was focusing pretty much on the Phillies. And, while you may not believe it, they were very optimistic about the Phillies chances. You might even have said they were homers.