Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon Jul 29, 2019 13:46:37

TempleFan22 wrote:The Phillies are pretty good about not letting info leak. All is quiet on the trade front regarding them. I feel like if they make a trade it will come out of no where.


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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby mcare89 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 14:54:44

still hot on Andrew Miller

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby mtcal » Mon Jul 29, 2019 15:10:00

wip fb says we're interested in puig again/still
Not everything I think is something I should say.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby The B1G Piece » Mon Jul 29, 2019 15:16:14

CalvinBall wrote:pivetta seems good in the bullpen?

He does - my bigger concern is we have a huge deficiency in starting pitching, the young guys are pretty meh and Arrieta is probably cooked.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby mcare89 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 15:19:04

mtcal wrote:wip fb says we're interested in puig again/still

Doesn't really make a ton of sense since he's a RH bat who hits righties better, so he's not a great platoon partner with Bruce, but if there's some sort of package deal where we get a starter from them, sure, whatever.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby The B1G Piece » Mon Jul 29, 2019 15:20:09

Also, since the ASB...only three regulars have a wRC+ since the All-Star break: Hoskins (120); Harper (111); and Haseley (110). That is, as they say, not very good.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jul 29, 2019 15:28:34

The B1G Piece wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:pivetta seems good in the bullpen?

He does - my bigger concern is we have a huge deficiency in starting pitching, the young guys are pretty meh and Arrieta is probably cooked.


Yeah definitely stink. Are there other teams pushing out high level starters yearly?

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Jul 29, 2019 15:52:52

The B1G Piece wrote:Also, since the ASB...only three regulars have a wRC+ since the All-Star break: Hoskins (120); Harper (111); and Haseley (110). That is, as they say, not very good.


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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby stevelxa476 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 16:21:33

CalvinBall wrote:
The B1G Piece wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:pivetta seems good in the bullpen?

He does - my bigger concern is we have a huge deficiency in starting pitching, the young guys are pretty meh and Arrieta is probably cooked.


Yeah definitely stink. Are there other teams pushing out high level starters yearly?


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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby Stripes » Mon Jul 29, 2019 16:29:07

The B1G Piece wrote:I know Klentak isn't going anywhere, but this is criminal. From Gelb...

This is the reality: There are 111 pitchers who have made at least 50 starts from 2017-19, and Pivetta ranks 106th with a 5.42 ERA as a starter. Two of the pitchers below him — Jason Hammel and Bartolo Colon — have retired. Another, Matt Harvey, was just released. Jordan Zimmermann and Homer Bailey, the remaining two with higher ERAs than Pivetta, are sputtering toward the end of their high-priced contracts.

While Pivetta is 106th in ERA among those with 50 starts since 2017, Eflin is 93rd. And Velasquez is 94th.


They didn't pursue any SP at last year's deadline because they thought those 3 were good enough. And after proving that they weren't during the second half, they didn't bring any new SP to start this season, apparently still feeling that those 3 are good enough. Makes one wonder...
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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jul 29, 2019 16:35:13

Stripes wrote:
The B1G Piece wrote:I know Klentak isn't going anywhere, but this is criminal. From Gelb...

This is the reality: There are 111 pitchers who have made at least 50 starts from 2017-19, and Pivetta ranks 106th with a 5.42 ERA as a starter. Two of the pitchers below him — Jason Hammel and Bartolo Colon — have retired. Another, Matt Harvey, was just released. Jordan Zimmermann and Homer Bailey, the remaining two with higher ERAs than Pivetta, are sputtering toward the end of their high-priced contracts.

While Pivetta is 106th in ERA among those with 50 starts since 2017, Eflin is 93rd. And Velasquez is 94th.


They didn't pursue any SP at last year's deadline because they thought those 3 were good enough. And after proving that they weren't during the second half, they didn't bring any new SP to start this season, apparently still feeling that those 3 are good enough. Makes one wonder...

The pitching stinks and the hitting stinks. It's hard to address all of that quickly without completely gutting your farm system. They at least were able to making the hitting a little better through moves.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby Stripes » Mon Jul 29, 2019 16:46:45

heyeaglefn wrote:
Stripes wrote:
The B1G Piece wrote:I know Klentak isn't going anywhere, but this is criminal. From Gelb...

This is the reality: There are 111 pitchers who have made at least 50 starts from 2017-19, and Pivetta ranks 106th with a 5.42 ERA as a starter. Two of the pitchers below him — Jason Hammel and Bartolo Colon — have retired. Another, Matt Harvey, was just released. Jordan Zimmermann and Homer Bailey, the remaining two with higher ERAs than Pivetta, are sputtering toward the end of their high-priced contracts.

While Pivetta is 106th in ERA among those with 50 starts since 2017, Eflin is 93rd. And Velasquez is 94th.


They didn't pursue any SP at last year's deadline because they thought those 3 were good enough. And after proving that they weren't during the second half, they didn't bring any new SP to start this season, apparently still feeling that those 3 are good enough. Makes one wonder...

The pitching stinks and the hitting stinks. It's hard to address all of that quickly without completely gutting your farm system. They at least were able to making the hitting a little better through moves.


Good thing they have a lot of $$$ to play w under the luxury tax!
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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby Shadow » Mon Jul 29, 2019 16:58:30

The Phillies have traded for Jason Vargas.

Try not to vomit.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 29, 2019 16:59:12

mcare89 wrote:
mtcal wrote:wip fb says we're interested in puig again/still

Doesn't really make a ton of sense since he's a RH bat who hits righties better, so he's not a great platoon partner with Bruce, but if there's some sort of package deal where we get a starter from them, sure, whatever.


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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby Brantt » Mon Jul 29, 2019 17:00:06

Shadow wrote:The Phillies have traded for Jason Vargas.

Try not to vomit.


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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 29, 2019 17:02:00

Shadow wrote:The Phillies have traded for Jason Vargas.

Try not to vomit.


Hey he comes with the team option for 2020. The Mets trading in the division has to be something that’s going to backfire on them right.
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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby Shadow » Mon Jul 29, 2019 17:02:57

Honestly, he's so average if the Phillies even traded anything for him, it would be a bad trade. The Mets should be thanking the Phillies for taking his salary.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 29, 2019 17:05:36

As rival Mets make surprise move for Marcus Stroman, which trade-deadline pitching options remain for Phillies?


I guess the questions been answered.
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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jul 29, 2019 17:05:55

Joe Blanton was 5-12 with a 4.96 ERA in 2008 when we acquired him. Vargas is better than what they're trotting out there right now. Let's see what happens.

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Re: Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

Postby BatFlipsFTW » Mon Jul 29, 2019 17:21:09

Shadow wrote:Honestly, he's so average if the Phillies even traded anything for him, it would be a bad trade. The Mets should be thanking the Phillies for taking his salary.


Average like Robert Covington?
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