Phillies 2019 Discussion III: The Dog Days of Bummer

by **Benny Lava** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 18:01:48

1 wrote:Phillies Twitter’s revisionist history of how amazing the 08 team was is just about as frustrating as watching the 08 team was.

I guess they forgot that almost no one picked the Phillies to beat the Rays in the WS. I remember some SABR doucher saying if the teams played the WS 100 times, the Rays would win 99 times.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 18:38:24

Utley to the track to the wall it’s a good start for the Phillies

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 19:39:43

If nothing else this season should convince the Phillies that VV, Eflin and Pivetta are too inconsistent to be reliable starters in the bigs

by **The B1G Piece** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 22:56:18

Keuchel and his 0.2 fWAR would make us much better.

by **Shadow** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 23:28:19

Keuchel was definitely a miss, that is a fair critique, but he wasn't going to make a major difference in the grand scheme of things. I think both can be true. Aside from the personnel weaknesses and holes, there are systemic issues that won't be cured this season like the utter lack of power and offensive consistency from your best bats. The Phillies best strength lately has been the other teams in the NL WC race sucking too. Their being incompetent too has been the only thing that has given the Phils fans hope, it hasn't actually been anything the team itself has done.

They haven't won a series against an above .500 team since May.

by **mtcal** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 23:51:37

Shadow wrote:
They haven't won a series against an above .500 team since May.

lol the toolshed hater on WIP with angelo on Friday morning said they hadn't BEATEN a team about .500 since may. i didn't feel like looking it up but i kinda figured we hadn't gotten swept against every +.500 team for 2 months.

by **thephan** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 05:40:34

@KevinMcAlpin

Gabe Kapler decided to bring in the lefty Suarez to face Albies with the bases loaded. Albies splits entering play tonight:

vs RHP - .251/.324/.418 w/19 2B, 3 3B, 9 HR, 33 RBI in 311 ABs.

vs LHP - .394/.408/.638 w/6 2B, 1 3B, 5 HR, 20 RBI in 94 ABs.

What do the analytics saw about that match up? Eyeball One review sees it as sketchy with the sacks packed, but maybe the decision was he has hit for less power against lhp.

It was just 4 of the 15 runs on 16 hits, so I am splitting hairs.

by **thephan** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 05:44:37

Benny Lava wrote:
1 wrote:Phillies Twitter’s revisionist history of how amazing the 08 team was is just about as frustrating as watching the 08 team was.

I guess they forgot that almost no one picked the Phillies to beat the Rays in the WS. I remember some SABR doucher saying if the teams played the WS 100 times, the Rays would win 99 times.

That was because Joe Maddon was so far ahead of everyone on the planet that his brain would win the series singlehandedly.

by **CalvinBall** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 08:21:51

mcare89 wrote:A fun read for our fatalist chapter:

viewtopic.php_f=43&t=6056

The MattS post on page 1 should have its own exhibit at CBP.

So funny

Is he still working in baseball somewhere?

by **Monkeyboy** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:03:45

Both Trent and FTN (and others) agreeing to a trade of carrasco for D Young.

That's some thread.

by **swishnicholson** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 14:39:12

Shore wrote:Crawford cant' hit LHP, and he has no power, at all. It's tough to be a valuable everyday guy, in today's game, with no power. And he's either gonna look real good, but be limited to 450 PA per year, or his inability to hit LHP will drag down his overall numbers.

I'm still happy with the Segura deal.

Realmuto was always a huge risk - have to trade a lot to acquire a guy that you're then almost forced to extend, but is a 30-year-old catcher when you extend him. He's also a .280 hitter with 15-20 HR power, so he's not a star at the plate. People got overexcited over his road splits, and that he held the "best catcher in baseball" title. He's still an excellent player, overall, including his defense, so the "downside" is cost (acquisition+extension) and opportunity cost (Sanchez) rather than his performance. Those are easier to take, IMO.

I mean, it's a baseball board, so sure, let's talk about trades and future implications etc. But in terms of grousing about the here and now, the the realmuto and segura trades have had zero, or slightly positive effect on the Phillies season this year. Realmuto, due to his defensive capabilities, is having a better year than Alfaro. Sanchez is in AA, often impressive but inconsistent. He may very well cause us regret at having lost him in the future, as we all knew, but there's no way bringing him up to the majors would be in his best interest. Crawford has mostly had a good run in a partial season. Segura has been steady all year, if not quite up to his standards. Who knows how much of Crawford's success is due to starting the year in the minors, a luxury the Phillies wouldn't have been able to have. I liked Santana when he was here, and I'm glad he's having success, but we all know there was no place for him in the Phillies lineup. Sure, the trades could turn out to be stinkers in the long run-or not. but it's premature to decide and silly to post any blame for the Phillies current disappointments on them.

by **swishnicholson** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 14:44:22

CalvinBall wrote:
mcare89 wrote:A fun read for our fatalist chapter:

viewtopic.php_f=43&t=6056

The MattS post on page 1 should have its own exhibit at CBP.

So funny

Is he still working in baseball somewhere?

hillbilly hitting coach miscast as a manager

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 14:48:01

1 wrote:Phillies Twitter’s revisionist history of how amazing the 08 team was is just about as frustrating as watching the 08 team was.

I don’t know, I think what people are reacting to overall is that those Phillies were 21-14 in blowouts with many more runs scored than allowed (+75). These Phillies are 18-17 in blowouts (which I can’t really wrap my mind around, feels much worse) and are at -21 in those games.

Maybe it’s because they get blown out by the class of the NL at home or whatever (LA, Atl) but I for one feel much worse about them and their quality and their chances than I can recall feeling at any point in 2008.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 14:50:49

Kapler, on Arieta:

“I don't feel 1,000 percent confident that he is not going to go out there and have an outing where he goes six and lasts a little longer,”

I assume Arrieta short-circuited his programming.

by 1 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 15:11:15

Wolfgang622 wrote:
1 wrote:Phillies Twitter’s revisionist history of how amazing the 08 team was is just about as frustrating as watching the 08 team was.

I don’t know, I think what people are reacting to overall is that those Phillies were 21-14 in blowouts with many more runs scored than allowed (+75). These Phillies are 18-17 in blowouts (which I can’t really wrap my mind around, feels much worse) and are at -21 in those games.

Maybe it’s because they get blown out by the class of the NL at home or whatever (LA, Atl) but I for one feel much worse about them and their quality and their chances than I can recall feeling at any point in 2008.

Go back and read some game threads (if you can stand it). We hated that team around this time that year.

by **philliesphhan** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 16:45:19

swishnicholson wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
mcare89 wrote:A fun read for our fatalist chapter:

viewtopic.php_f=43&t=6056

The MattS post on page 1 should have its own exhibit at CBP.

So funny

Is he still working in baseball somewhere?

hillbilly hitting coach miscast as a manager

We, as a fanbase, really can only handle one kind of manager, can't we?

I kinda wonder if this is why I instinctively want a long leash for Kapler. It's not like we have any fucking idea what a good manager is until they happen to win a World Series, then we pretend we always loved them.

by **MoBettle** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 16:48:39

Feel like someone always ends up hating the manager at one point or another tbh

by **Woody** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 16:54:17

Proud of my reply to Matt S’ insane screed in that thread

by **phorever** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 17:15:27

i was too depeessed to check the standings over the weekend. shocked to see the phils still in the middle if a 7 team scrum for 3 playoff spots (all within 4 games of wc and/or nl central lead, still just a game behind the wc leaders.
not.
dead.
yet.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 17:19:46

1 wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:
1 wrote:Phillies Twitter’s revisionist history of how amazing the 08 team was is just about as frustrating as watching the 08 team was.

I don’t know, I think what people are reacting to overall is that those Phillies were 21-14 in blowouts with many more runs scored than allowed (+75). These Phillies are 18-17 in blowouts (which I can’t really wrap my mind around, feels much worse) and are at -21 in those games.

Maybe it’s because they get blown out by the class of the NL at home or whatever (LA, Atl) but I for one feel much worse about them and their quality and their chances than I can recall feeling at any point in 2008.

Go back and read some game threads (if you can stand it). We hated that team around this time that year.

I guess it could just be that I am older and calmer, but I remember the 2008 team making me angry, sure, but it was always because I was convinced they WERE good.

This team doesn’t have me angry. Just resigned. They are what they are, which is not good enough. 84-78 give or take, and that might be generous. Which of course is pretty much in line with what the computer numbers told us before the season.

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