His FIP last 3 years: 4.67, 5.02, 4.71. If he’s better than our other starters not named Nola, it ain’t by much.

JFLNYC wrote:His FIP last 3 years: 4.67, 5.02, 4.71. If he’s better than our other starters not named Nola, it ain’t by much.

He's a warm body which is better than what we have

So who is out of the rotation now?

I vote eflin

I would also drop Eflin - but we are probably on borrowed time with Arrieta and Vince will probably still have his clunkers. It sucks having multiple guys who quite likely will get bombed by the 2nd-3rd inning.

Replace Eflin. Put Eflin on the IL to skip a couple of starts. Maybe he can recharge a bit and come back to fill in for whoever looks most in need of replacement in a few weeks.

Rios DFA to make room on the 40 man

Mitch Walding lives another day...

I didn't see Jake's most recent start but I'd have to think he's nearing his end. Eflin could be cooked too.

PSUsarge wrote:Joe Blanton was 5-12 with a 4.96 ERA in 2008 when we acquired him. Vargas is better than what they're trotting out there right now. Let's see what happens.

I think you are saying World Series?

TheGoodPhight posted a game thread for tonight, it's all a big mess this year

JFLNYC wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:I know Klentak isn't going anywhere, but this is criminal. From Gelb...

This is the reality: There are 111 pitchers who have made at least 50 starts from 2017-19, and Pivetta ranks 106th with a 5.42 ERA as a starter. Two of the pitchers below him — Jason Hammel and Bartolo Colon — have retired. Another, Matt Harvey, was just released. Jordan Zimmermann and Homer Bailey, the remaining two with higher ERAs than Pivetta, are sputtering toward the end of their high-priced contracts.

While Pivetta is 106th in ERA among those with 50 starts since 2017, Eflin is 93rd. And Velasquez is 94th.

Since the beginning of the award in 1956 the Phillies have originally signed and developed exactly one pitcher who has won a Cy Young Award, and he won only one and it was after he was traded to the Cubs at the age of 22: Fergie Jenkins.

I had wondered if this was really the case, so I decided to look into it since I like looking up silly things. The Phillies have actually had four players who originally signed/were drafted by them win a Cy Young award: Jenkins (1971, Cubs), Mike Marshall (1974, Dodgers) actually signed with the Phillies as a teenager in 1960, Willie Hernandez (1984, DET) who originally signed with the Phillies as an amateur, and Mark Davis (SDP, 1989)

That actually puts them tied for second most pitchers to do so. The Dodgers are by far the leader with 9 (7 of whom did so with the Dodgers); the A's, Giants, Indians, Orioles, and White Sox all have four. The Orioles might technically have five but Sparky Lyle's early career is confusing and his page doesn't really clarify what happened as it seems he signed with the Orioles but then was drafted by the Red Sox, perhaps in an earlier version of a rule 5 draft because it's not the regular draft.

Mind you, none of the pitchers actually won a Cy Young FOR them, heh, which also makes them only one of 8 teams with that "honor"

Klentak all but confirms Robertson is not coming back this year.

CalvinBall wrote:Klentak all but confirms Robertson is not coming back this year.

I do feel like when we talk about this team's struggles, we don't pay enough attention to the fact that they lost their starting left fielder, their closer, their top setup man, and three other solid relievers to long-term injuries, plus their starting center fielder to a suspension. Take five of the top six guys out of any bullpen and let me know how they fare. The rotation issues are obviously still a factor (though Arrieta's bone spur is yet another injury that affects them) but they've been killed with injuries, and they just weren't that deep a team to begin with.

philliesphhan wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:I know Klentak isn't going anywhere, but this is criminal. From Gelb...

This is the reality: There are 111 pitchers who have made at least 50 starts from 2017-19, and Pivetta ranks 106th with a 5.42 ERA as a starter. Two of the pitchers below him — Jason Hammel and Bartolo Colon — have retired. Another, Matt Harvey, was just released. Jordan Zimmermann and Homer Bailey, the remaining two with higher ERAs than Pivetta, are sputtering toward the end of their high-priced contracts.

While Pivetta is 106th in ERA among those with 50 starts since 2017, Eflin is 93rd. And Velasquez is 94th.

Since the beginning of the award in 1956 the Phillies have originally signed and developed exactly one pitcher who has won a Cy Young Award, and he won only one and it was after he was traded to the Cubs at the age of 22: Fergie Jenkins.

I had wondered if this was really the case, so I decided to look into it since I like looking up silly things. The Phillies have actually had four players who originally signed/were drafted by them win a Cy Young award: Jenkins (1971, Cubs), Mike Marshall (1974, Dodgers) actually signed with the Phillies as a teenager in 1960, Willie Hernandez (1984, DET) who originally signed with the Phillies as an amateur, and Mark Davis (SDP, 1989)

That actually puts them tied for second most pitchers to do so. The Dodgers are by far the leader with 9 (7 of whom did so with the Dodgers); the A's, Giants, Indians, Orioles, and White Sox all have four. The Orioles might technically have five but Sparky Lyle's early career is confusing and his page doesn't really clarify what happened as it seems he signed with the Orioles but then was drafted by the Red Sox, perhaps in an earlier version of a rule 5 draft because it's not the regular draft.

Mind you, none of the pitchers actually won a Cy Young FOR them, heh, which also makes them only one of 8 teams with that "honor"

Wow, that's great. Thanks. I recall Hernandez and Davis but had no idea Mike Marshall was originally signed by the Phils. I was going to say the Phils had only one starting pitcher and should have limited it to that rather than relying on my poor memory.

mcare89 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Klentak all but confirms Robertson is not coming back this year.

I do feel like when we talk about this team's struggles, we don't pay enough attention to the fact that they lost their starting left fielder, their closer, their top setup man, and three other solid relievers to long-term injuries, plus their starting center fielder to a suspension. Take five of the top six guys out of any bullpen and let me know how they fare. The rotation issues are obviously still a factor (though Arrieta's bone spur is yet another injury that affects them) but they've been killed with injuries, and they just weren't that deep a team to begin with.

And their backup LF who was kind of good too.

JFLNYC wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:I know Klentak isn't going anywhere, but this is criminal. From Gelb...

This is the reality: There are 111 pitchers who have made at least 50 starts from 2017-19, and Pivetta ranks 106th with a 5.42 ERA as a starter. Two of the pitchers below him — Jason Hammel and Bartolo Colon — have retired. Another, Matt Harvey, was just released. Jordan Zimmermann and Homer Bailey, the remaining two with higher ERAs than Pivetta, are sputtering toward the end of their high-priced contracts.

While Pivetta is 106th in ERA among those with 50 starts since 2017, Eflin is 93rd. And Velasquez is 94th.

Since the beginning of the award in 1956 the Phillies have originally signed and developed exactly one pitcher who has won a Cy Young Award, and he won only one and it was after he was traded to the Cubs at the age of 22: Fergie Jenkins.

I had wondered if this was really the case, so I decided to look into it since I like looking up silly things. The Phillies have actually had four players who originally signed/were drafted by them win a Cy Young award: Jenkins (1971, Cubs), Mike Marshall (1974, Dodgers) actually signed with the Phillies as a teenager in 1960, Willie Hernandez (1984, DET) who originally signed with the Phillies as an amateur, and Mark Davis (SDP, 1989)

That actually puts them tied for second most pitchers to do so. The Dodgers are by far the leader with 9 (7 of whom did so with the Dodgers); the A's, Giants, Indians, Orioles, and White Sox all have four. The Orioles might technically have five but Sparky Lyle's early career is confusing and his page doesn't really clarify what happened as it seems he signed with the Orioles but then was drafted by the Red Sox, perhaps in an earlier version of a rule 5 draft because it's not the regular draft.

Mind you, none of the pitchers actually won a Cy Young FOR them, heh, which also makes them only one of 8 teams with that "honor"

Wow, that's great. Thanks. I recall Hernandez and Davis but had no idea Mike Marshall was originally signed by the Phils. I was going to say the Phils had only one starting pitcher and should have limited it to that rather than relying on my poor memory.

Yeah, once I saw who they were, I figured maybe you had meant starters. Mike Marshall's history is weird as hell. His wikipedia page basically says nothing, so I'm not sure what he did in between the Phillies signing him and when he debuted in their minors 5 years later. I assume he pitched in college or something.

Mike Marshall

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Cliff Lee not coming to the 10 year reunion this weekend, but Pedro will be there

mcare89 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Klentak all but confirms Robertson is not coming back this year.

I do feel like when we talk about this team's struggles, we don't pay enough attention to the fact that they lost their starting left fielder, their closer, their top setup man, and three other solid relievers to long-term injuries, plus their starting center fielder to a suspension. Take five of the top six guys out of any bullpen and let me know how they fare. The rotation issues are obviously still a factor (though Arrieta's bone spur is yet another injury that affects them) but they've been killed with injuries, and they just weren't that deep a team to begin with.

How much of this is bad luck, and how much is preparation/training/usage? It can't ALL be bad luck, can it?