The Nightman Cometh wrote:I'm not sure what voting block her campaign is going for. She has some far left views, but then she takes a bunch of unnecessarily random positions that make it look like she is going for the voters who think the US government is run by lizard people.
Philly the Kid wrote:How many believe that the majority of votes will be counted and accurately, and that no one will be dis-enfranchised?
But let's assume it's all legit. No state limits anyone's right to vote, and no machines are rigged and all the votes are counted properly and fairly, or to where the margin of error for human f'ups is neglible to outcome.
Tell me where we are as a nation in 4 years with either of these two?
-- Trump is a wild-card and we will see god knows what - with policies, cabinet, and I'm not sure he's really got the commitment to really work the job. He likes to make sound bytes and meme fodder. All those angry white guys out there in the heartland and south - aren't going to be any better off in 4 years.
-- Shillary is Wall Street and Hawkish policies and business-as-usual. The Congress will remain obstructionist, and she won't be able to get much done. Because she will curry favor for the .01% the Monsanto/Bayer merger and it's like will continue unabated. Fracking will continue. TarSands, Dakota Piplines, TPP will find its way back, and endless war will continue on.
With both, Executive Order abuse, massive surveillance and secrecy agencies will go unfettered, and we will be using more drones than ever. Prisons will remain crowded. Health care will get more expensive and less good jobs with benefits and no reversals on patriot act or citizen's united. If Trump gets in, I guess Roe v Wade could even topple. Not sure the fall-out there?
The argument of most moderate Dems, and Hillary fans - is that "don't be a fool a vote for Jill Stein or any 3rd party" it's the Nader effect, a useless protest vote that will accomplish nothing except to let Trump a totally corrupt money guy - who has constructed an identity to get the Rush Limbaugh crowd to vote for him - and he could spark a true proto-facism, or he could just be a big mess or it could backfire and light some movement post-Bern from Millenials and old liberals and the remaining union and labor and academics -- but I don't see that coming about.
I think Trump would have a hard time winning two terms back-to-back even if he wins legit, of course if its rigged, who knows. I'm not sure who's bidding he's doing? But I'm sure they can shape and mold him as needed.
The American populace is so naive to think that "Presidents" operate with any autonomy.
It's really and truly a sad state of affairs when these are the only 2 choices we have.
The planet is growing warmer by the day. We've tipped. By 2050 but surely by 2100 sea levels will be up 7-8-9 feet, and the methane and carbon release. It's going to soon be about resources, clean air, clean water, non-toxic food, medicine, and martial law may be coming when it finally becomes impossible to feep up the facade of "nation state". There are more guns than people. It's a fragile thread that keeps us from not becoming a fractured land.
The big money knows that their profits go down if things go renegade. So we keep up the illusion of "the trains running on time" so that people will keep going to shop at the mall and buy stuff and accrue debt.
But I just can't see better nation in 4 years with either of these two. it's truly depressing.
