Roger Dorn wrote:

Youseff wrote:feel like Trump lost the election this weekend. this was his chance to surge ahead put he came too soon. RIP.

I feel like this "Trump has lost the election" narrative has happened at least a handful of times since the middle of the summer but then he comes back in the polls again. As many people have alluded to Trump has the support of a lot of people that aren't dumb rednecks. Half the executive team at my finance company are voting Trumo and they are supposedly "smart" and affluent people. It's weird.

It's crazy how lopsided this election would be if the Dems nominated literally anyone else.

and it's not hard to believe that the Repubs would be winning if they nominated anyone else (ok not Cruz).

Hillary had a pretty bad week last week and Trump responded by holding a press conference at his new hotel because he was finally forced to admit he was a giant liar about the birther BS, and the press conference ended up being a disaster. part of the stage collapsed, it was a D grade promotion of his hotel, it reminded a lot of people how disgusting the birther stuff was/is, the press wasn't allowed to ask questions and maybe out of frustration he's getting called out by them pretty aggressively for handling it terribly. his inbred sons are goofing up the blind trust story with the backdrop of him promoting his hotel and the media going a bit ravenous on him is not a good response to Hillary stumbling. if he was capable of running an organized campaign instead of a political extension of his twitter account then this would have been the week to surge ahead.

This week a female coworker from Georgia told me she's voting for Trump because, "Hillary will be too soft on Russia."

I mean, what world is this

At this point its hard to believe anyone is still willing to vote for Jill Stein.

I'm not sure what voting block her campaign is going for. She has some far left views, but then she takes a bunch of unnecessarily random positions that make it look like she is going for the voters who think the US government is run by lizard people.

She's semi doxxing the campaign committee.

She did get Oliver stone's vote.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I'm not sure what voting block her campaign is going for. She has some far left views, but then she takes a bunch of unnecessarily random positions that make it look like she is going for the voters who think the US government is run by lizard people.

You havent met the people who think everything man made causes cancer and allergies yet?

Youseff wrote:

td11 wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/stop-whining-about-false-balance-w440228

I both agree and disagree with this article

what do you disagree with? seems fairly reasonable.

Maybe I missed something. But the author is saying the media is great but people don't want them to be great, they want it to pander to them. The problem with his view is that reporters didn't do their jobs at all for a long time regarding Trump. Instead of holding his feet to the fire regarding the stupid stuff he was saying, they let it slide because it was good for ratings. Real journalists wouldn't let ratings be their primary goal.

He contends it's all the voters fault, not the lame way Trump has been covered from the start. He's wrong.

One of his conclusions is that we're all a bunch of stupid idiots that don't appreciate good journalism. In light of what we've seen this election, I can't really argue that.

https://news.vice.com/article/vice-news ... aign-event

Trump having reporters arrested for no reason.

Philly the Kid wrote:How many believe that the majority of votes will be counted and accurately, and that no one will be dis-enfranchised?

But let's assume it's all legit. No state limits anyone's right to vote, and no machines are rigged and all the votes are counted properly and fairly, or to where the margin of error for human f'ups is neglible to outcome.

Tell me where we are as a nation in 4 years with either of these two?

-- Trump is a wild-card and we will see god knows what - with policies, cabinet, and I'm not sure he's really got the commitment to really work the job. He likes to make sound bytes and meme fodder. All those angry white guys out there in the heartland and south - aren't going to be any better off in 4 years.

-- Shillary is Wall Street and Hawkish policies and business-as-usual. The Congress will remain obstructionist, and she won't be able to get much done. Because she will curry favor for the .01% the Monsanto/Bayer merger and it's like will continue unabated. Fracking will continue. TarSands, Dakota Piplines, TPP will find its way back, and endless war will continue on.

With both, Executive Order abuse, massive surveillance and secrecy agencies will go unfettered, and we will be using more drones than ever. Prisons will remain crowded. Health care will get more expensive and less good jobs with benefits and no reversals on patriot act or citizen's united. If Trump gets in, I guess Roe v Wade could even topple. Not sure the fall-out there?

The argument of most moderate Dems, and Hillary fans - is that "don't be a fool a vote for Jill Stein or any 3rd party" it's the Nader effect, a useless protest vote that will accomplish nothing except to let Trump a totally corrupt money guy - who has constructed an identity to get the Rush Limbaugh crowd to vote for him - and he could spark a true proto-facism, or he could just be a big mess or it could backfire and light some movement post-Bern from Millenials and old liberals and the remaining union and labor and academics -- but I don't see that coming about.

I think Trump would have a hard time winning two terms back-to-back even if he wins legit, of course if its rigged, who knows. I'm not sure who's bidding he's doing? But I'm sure they can shape and mold him as needed.

The American populace is so naive to think that "Presidents" operate with any autonomy.

It's really and truly a sad state of affairs when these are the only 2 choices we have.

The planet is growing warmer by the day. We've tipped. By 2050 but surely by 2100 sea levels will be up 7-8-9 feet, and the methane and carbon release. It's going to soon be about resources, clean air, clean water, non-toxic food, medicine, and martial law may be coming when it finally becomes impossible to feep up the facade of "nation state". There are more guns than people. It's a fragile thread that keeps us from not becoming a fractured land.

The big money knows that their profits go down if things go renegade. So we keep up the illusion of "the trains running on time" so that people will keep going to shop at the mall and buy stuff and accrue debt.

But I just can't see better nation in 4 years with either of these two. it's truly depressing.

both parties are run by plutocrats but Hillary's party (Shillary nickname makes you see like an enormous moron fwiw) platform is a lot friendlier to the middle and lower class. you're one of those privileged voters that can survive while the lower classes suffer. they are the ones that will be more adversely affected by a GOP style tax code that would further service to funnel more money to corporations and the upper class. she's also the only candidate proposing any sort of increased oversight on our financial institutions.

you spend a paragraph whining about the environment unironically seemingly with no idea that one candidate believes climate change is real and at least has a plan to address it, while the other thinks it's a conspiracy started by the Chinese.

she's anti-Citizens United, the Trump Foundation donates to them.

reading you're intermittent stoner posts in the politics thread leads me to believe you're a fairly low information voter.

Before obama 1 circuit court was liberal-leaning. Now 9 are. Possibly 13 will be if Hillary is elected. There is an open supreme court seat and 2-3 more will open up in the next 4-8 years.

For this reason alone any sane person who is liberal should vote Clinton. Also, she can veto bills that come her way that restrict a woman's right to choose or seek to roll back the safety net. In states that aren't run by Democrats she will be the reason many have access to things you take for granted living in California.

She won't 'rip up' the Iran nuclear deal.

That's it. This is a binary election. You either participate or stfu about the result.

and all the other federal judges she will appoint. Obama had 329 of his judicial nominees approved by congress. I wish we had a better system but you play the hand you're dealt.

I may have just swayed jh to vote Trump with that judge rant.

if jersey votes trump its bc he's firmly in the pro-oppressive police force and pro-lots of corporate money in politics camps imo.

I'm not voting. I haven't registered since moving in February, and the time it'll take to do that and to go vote aren't worth it to vote for Gary Johnson.

I do like money in politics, although the amount of corporate money in politics (at least in elections) is not a lot and very overrated.

now i know Clinton is winning New Jersey!

you didn't even change it to vote down ballot? in PA if you haven't switched your address you can vote at your old polling place one last time.

I live in DC. There is no down ballot.

The argument that both parties produce the same results is the ultimate political cop out. Even if their results would overlap by 75% or more, the remaining amount -- no matter how small -- can and will have an enormous effect on the direction of the country and a profound impact on its citizens. Besides, this country is not designed to be a small leisure craft taken on different joyrides every 4 years. It's a huge ship and changes in course should be taken gradually with a view towards the long-term good but with care taken to avoid short-term upheaval of the passengers.

jerseyhoya wrote:I live in DC. There is no down ballot.

ohhhhh sheesh