Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Thu Mar 10, 2016 08:58:52

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 10, 2016 09:19:26

Lawmakers in West Virginia Celebrate Legalization of Raw Milk By Drinking It and Getting Sick
Several lawmakers say a delegate who sponsored the bill, Scott Cadle (R - Mason, 13), brought in the drinks.

"[Cadle] caught me in the hallway, offered a cup to me, and you want to try to be a gentleman," McGeehan said. "I had a small sip and walked away and tossed the rest of it."

"I highly doubt raw milk had anything to do with it, in my case," McGeehan said.

According to the Kanwaha-Charleston Health Department, raw milk can contain dangerous bacteria and parasites.

But, supporters say, raw milk has a higher nutritional content and is more ethical.

"I don't think it's any riskier than eating raw oysters or anything like that," McGeehan said.

McGeehan believes the milk you drink is a personal choice.

get your government hands off my milk
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby traderdave » Thu Mar 10, 2016 09:43:55

pacino wrote:get your government hands off my milk


I immediately imagined this in a Ron Swanson voice. If I had any clue how to do memes...

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 10, 2016 09:57:28

HARRY ENTEN 11:00 PM
As we come to a close here, I wanted to put in perspective what a large audience Democrats are getting on Univision. According to a 2013 Pew Research Center report, Univision has more viewers than the Fox network and nearly the same number as ABC. Moreover, Univision tops all of the English-speaking networks in terms of viewers ages 18 to 49.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:03:51

known Clintonista Ruth Marcus:
My exasperation with Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of state is long-standing and unabated. Lucky for her, political idiocy is not criminal.

Ruth Marcus is a columnist for The Post, specializing in American politics and domestic policy.
“There are plenty of unattractive facts but not a lot of clear evidence of criminality, and we tend to forget the distinction,” American University law professor Stephen Vladeck, an expert on prosecutions involving classified information, told me. “This is really just a political firestorm, not a criminal case.”

Could a clever law student fit the fact pattern into a criminal violation? Sure. Would a responsible federal prosecutor pursue it? Hardly — absent new evidence, based on my conversations with experts in such prosecutions.

There are two main statutory hooks. Title 18, Section 1924, a misdemeanor, makes it a crime for a government employee to “knowingly remove” classified information “without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location.”

Petraeus clearly knew the material he provided to Paula Broadwell was classified and that she was not authorized to view it. “Highly classified . . . code word stuff in there,” he told her. He lied to FBI agents, the kind of behavior that tends to inflame prosecutors.

In Clinton’s case, by contrast, there is no clear evidence that Clinton knew (or even should have known) that the material in her emails was classified. Second, it is debatable whether her use of the private server constituted removal or retention of material. Finally, the aggravating circumstance of false statements to federal agents is, as far as we know, absent.

this has been known
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:08:07

Stephen Vladeck is a law professor at the Washington College of Law at American University, stop being lazy! He was also a great professor.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:15:26

I think you can make a strong argument that Julian Castro has much more relevant experience to the presidency than Ted Cruz.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:22:46

two terms as mayor of a city that has 1.4 million people is fairly equivalent to small state governors with added urban maneuvering. he also heads a major department in the federal government. we get too caught up in the 'local' nature of running a major city in comparison to a governor. If Brian Schweitzer is continually floated I don't see what makes Castro less experienced.

he's obviously qualified to be an executive.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:51:07

If I'm Hillary, I'm going to look for a relatively young white male who is associated with a more populist strand of economic policy from a rust belt state, or maybe from a Democratic leaning mountain state. Bob Casey Jr. may not be high profile enough and his economic policy might not populist enough (where does he stand on TPP?) Obviously, the problem with Casey is his opposition to abortion, and that probably sinks his chances but in fact I think in a national election it would be a plus. In a somewhat different direction, someone like that or maybe Hickenlooper of Colorado might be an interesting choice.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:52:51

he's not a fan

he's about as populist as you get economically
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:54:45

Castro seems like the obvious pick and against Rubio, probably a smart, strategic one. Against Trump you could probably run with a literal turnip.

Dude's only 41 so they can let him continue to rise and still tap him for 2024. Don't know if he needs to be in the relative spotlight for 8 years beforehand. And if Hillary wins and loses re-election with him as her VP you'd have to think that wouldn't play well for the next election.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:31:31

JFLNYC wrote:
pacino wrote:TARP was necessary. It should've had more requirements attached to it but TARP was needed legislation, unfortunately.


Exactly. First of all when your company is about to fail, anyone who provides the necessary financing to keep you going (in this case the government) should get a significant equity position with the existing shareholders taking a serious haircut. That's the way it works in the real market. When the banks are the ones providing the financing for shaky businesses that's exactly what they insist upon. Just as in the auto bailout that's what should have happened here. And the other leg of the three-legged stool should have been meaningful relief for mortgage holders specified at the time of the deal.


All this reasonableness, my head is spinning.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:01:53

pacino wrote:Lawmakers in West Virginia Celebrate Legalization of Raw Milk By Drinking It and Getting Sick
Several lawmakers say a delegate who sponsored the bill, Scott Cadle (R - Mason, 13), brought in the drinks.

"[Cadle] caught me in the hallway, offered a cup to me, and you want to try to be a gentleman," McGeehan said. "I had a small sip and walked away and tossed the rest of it."

"I highly doubt raw milk had anything to do with it, in my case," McGeehan said.

According to the Kanwaha-Charleston Health Department, raw milk can contain dangerous bacteria and parasites.

But, supporters say, raw milk has a higher nutritional content and is more ethical.

"I don't think it's any riskier than eating raw oysters or anything like that," McGeehan said.

McGeehan believes the milk you drink is a personal choice.

get your government hands off my milk


to be fair, I don't think the government should have a right to tell you you can't drink what you want
but the dummies should be aware that raw milk drinkers have built up an immunity to most of what makes you sick
personally I would love to have certain raw cheeses available
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:12:17

Didn't TARP end up making money for the government anyway?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:16:29

traderdave wrote:Didn't watch much of the debate last night but I did catch this bit:

And I find it interesting that when Secretary Clinton, who was the former senator of New York, of course, when she defended her vote, she said, well, it's going to help the big banks in New York. Those are my constituents. And then you go to Detroit and suddenly this legislation helps the automobile workers. There was an article just yesterday...

SALINAS: Your time is up, Senator.

SANDERS: ... where people like Senator Bayh and Ron Wyden, Byron Dorgan...

SALINAS: Senator -- your time is up, Senator.

SANDERS: ...former senators said, no, this wasn't the automobile bailout. It was the bailout of Wall Street.

RAMOS: Thank you.

SALINAS: We have to move on. Senator, the time is up. We have to move on.


Unfortunately, when the time comes, I will be a good little soldier and fall in line behind Clinton - but I won't like it.


This happened all night. The moderators let Clinton ramble on yet they always seemed to cut Sanders off after 30 seconds or so. It was very strange.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:19:57

TenuredVulture wrote:Didn't TARP end up making money for the government anyway?


In those kinds of situations there's nothing preventing the financing entity from getting both interest and equity in return for the bailout. It happens all the time. When your business is about to go belly-up and somebody is willing to bail you out, the only question you need to ask is: "How far would you like me to bend over?"
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:22:25

Doll Is Mine wrote:
traderdave wrote:Didn't watch much of the debate last night but I did catch this bit:

And I find it interesting that when Secretary Clinton, who was the former senator of New York, of course, when she defended her vote, she said, well, it's going to help the big banks in New York. Those are my constituents. And then you go to Detroit and suddenly this legislation helps the automobile workers. There was an article just yesterday...

SALINAS: Your time is up, Senator.

SANDERS: ... where people like Senator Bayh and Ron Wyden, Byron Dorgan...

SALINAS: Senator -- your time is up, Senator.

SANDERS: ...former senators said, no, this wasn't the automobile bailout. It was the bailout of Wall Street.

RAMOS: Thank you.

SALINAS: We have to move on. Senator, the time is up. We have to move on.


Unfortunately, when the time comes, I will be a good little soldier and fall in line behind Clinton - but I won't like it.


This happened all night. The moderators let Clinton ramble on yet they always seemed to cut Sanders off after 30 seconds or so. It was very strange.


In all the debates (at least when it's one-on-one) I wish the moderators would just moderate and not make the debate about their questions. If they just let the contestants go at it there would be no danger of the debaters not asking the tough questions of each other.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:27:44

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:
pacino wrote:Lawmakers in West Virginia Celebrate Legalization of Raw Milk By Drinking It and Getting Sick
Several lawmakers say a delegate who sponsored the bill, Scott Cadle (R - Mason, 13), brought in the drinks.

"[Cadle] caught me in the hallway, offered a cup to me, and you want to try to be a gentleman," McGeehan said. "I had a small sip and walked away and tossed the rest of it."

"I highly doubt raw milk had anything to do with it, in my case," McGeehan said.

According to the Kanwaha-Charleston Health Department, raw milk can contain dangerous bacteria and parasites.

But, supporters say, raw milk has a higher nutritional content and is more ethical.

"I don't think it's any riskier than eating raw oysters or anything like that," McGeehan said.

McGeehan believes the milk you drink is a personal choice.

get your government hands off my milk


to be fair, I don't think the government should have a right to tell you you can't drink what you want
but the dummies should be aware that raw milk drinkers have built up an immunity to most of what makes you sick
personally I would love to have certain raw cheeses available
The FDA's mission is to promote the public health and if raw milk is a threat to it, then it's within their purview to regulate it.

I'm not saying that raw milk does or doesn't present a public health hazard but they have the ability.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:32:26

I was just thinking about how sad I was that I missed out on tremetol vomiting.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:41:54

mozartpc27 wrote:I was just thinking about how sad I was that I missed out on tremetol vomiting.


That's what happens when you have over-regulating, liberal parents.
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