Whatever. If she's the nominee, I hope she wins those Deep South states that she's been riding in the primaries.

Well she has won Virginia Nevada and Massachusetts and Iowa.

Gimpy wrote:Whatever. If she's the nominee, I hope she wins those Deep South states that she's been riding in the primaries.

Having a laff at the response to your statements that you'll vote for Bernie but not Hillary. Never take sides against the family. Fredo.

Gimpy wrote:I'm not voting Hillary. I'm not voting Trump either.

I'm fine with a principled choice to forego voting. The right not to vote is implicit in the right TO vote. People make too much of casting a vote FOR someone.

Abstention has shortcomings, among them being a lack of clarity regarding your purposes: does your "foregone" POTUS vote represent your disappointment with the system as a whole? With the choices it has coughed up during this election cycle? With "the establishment", or with specific members of its ranks?

Nonetheless, I don't lump your choice of conduct with the petulant nincompoops who would vote for a dog turd on the ballot because their preferred candidate did not manage to secure a place on the ballot.

Subtitles would be appreciated.

Fracking is not clean energy

Oh I'm voting. I'll write in Bernie

These moderators are awful. Jesus Christ, let them speak!

Poor Bernie. The moderators let Hillary ramble on yet cut Bernie off after 30 seconds.

i'm not aware of the protocol for an incumbent, but is it weird that barry hasn't endorsed either of them yet??

Bucky wrote:i'm not aware of the protocol for an incumbent, but is it weird that barry hasn't endorsed either of them yet??

I think he said he wasn't going to a while ago.

I'll tell you, the Democratic party has a bright future. I have a feeling Clinton will pick Julian Castro as her running mate and if Bernie won, he'd probably pick Tulsi Gabbard. Both are future stars.

Add people like Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom and you have some great potential candidates.

Really doubt either will be the VP choice. Hillary picks a white man.

Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell you, the Democratic party has a bright future. I have a feeling Clinton will pick Julian Castro as her running mate and if Bernie won, he'd probably pick Tulsi Gabbard. Both are future stars.

Add people like Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom and you have some great potential candidates.

Do you think Julian Castro is ready to be president, and if so why?

jerseyhoya wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell you, the Democratic party has a bright future. I have a feeling Clinton will pick Julian Castro as her running mate and if Bernie won, he'd probably pick Tulsi Gabbard. Both are future stars.

Add people like Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom and you have some great potential candidates.

Do you think Julian Castro is ready to be president, and if so why?

It's tough to say. Do I think he's ready to be Vice President, and potentially President? Based on what I've seen, he's at least as qualified as Obama was when he first entered national politics. Obama was in the Senate for a few years after that while Castro has served in Obama's Cabinet the last couple of years. He's also been the mayor of a big city for 5 years so I don't see why he couldn't be a VP candidate.

Certain politicians just have it, and I think Castro is one of them. I saw that potential in Obama in 2006 and we all know how that turned out.

pacino wrote:They're babies

Yes.

My problem, I've realized, with some of my super liberal friends who think the party is rigging the election and that direct democracy is what we need is that their belief in direct democracy is unfalsifiable. If direct democracy produces a result they like, it's proof "the people" always want the most progressive things. If it doesn't (prop 8 in CA for example) it because pernicious forces rigged it somehow.

Also, Hillary wanted BADLY to be nominated in 2008 and the party elites - the "super delegates" - were all lined up to crown her. Obama wasn't part of the plan. But he happened. So the people do get to choose, within the party system. And this time, they are choosing Hillary - she has 1.5M more votes than Sanders thus far (4.9M to 2.3M, roughly), well over 50% of total votes cast.

Grow the fuck up I say.

Didn't watch much of the debate last night but I did catch this bit:

And I find it interesting that when Secretary Clinton, who was the former senator of New York, of course, when she defended her vote, she said, well, it's going to help the big banks in New York. Those are my constituents. And then you go to Detroit and suddenly this legislation helps the automobile workers. There was an article just yesterday...

SALINAS: Your time is up, Senator.

SANDERS: ... where people like Senator Bayh and Ron Wyden, Byron Dorgan...

SALINAS: Senator -- your time is up, Senator.

SANDERS: ...former senators said, no, this wasn't the automobile bailout. It was the bailout of Wall Street.

RAMOS: Thank you.

SALINAS: We have to move on. Senator, the time is up. We have to move on.

Unfortunately, when the time comes, I will be a good little soldier and fall in line behind Clinton - but I won't like it.

TARP was necessary. It should've had more requirements attached to it but TARP was needed legislation, unfortunately.

pacino wrote:TARP was necessary. It should've had more requirements attached to it but TARP was needed legislation, unfortunately.

Exactly. First of all when your company is about to fail, anyone who provides the necessary financing to keep you going (in this case the government) should get a significant equity position with the existing shareholders taking a serious haircut. That's the way it works in the real market. When the banks are the ones providing the financing for shaky businesses that's exactly what they insist upon. Just as in the auto bailout that's what should have happened here. And the other leg of the three-legged stool should have been meaningful relief for mortgage holders specified at the time of the deal.

Gimpy wrote:Whatever. If she's the nominee, I hope she wins those Deep South states that she's been riding in the primaries.

I saw this on fb the other day and it is so goddamn stupid. Yeah, right now she's winning primarily states that aren't democratic. Just wait until she wins PA, OH, FL, and NC. And she's already won VA and NV. That's nearly all of the important swing states right there. She'll have lost what, MI, maybe CO? Won IA too.

Ain't no reasoning with a bernie bro.