Doll Is Mine wrote:Thoughts on the racist piece of shit who sucker punched that black kid at the Trump rally because "he might've been an ISIS terrorist"?

It's getting ugly out there. This is today's Republican party.

Kid who got hit didn't even attempt to retaliate and was taken down to the ground by police anyway. Good police work.

Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

Trump is just following an age old playbook. You just need to scare people and they will cede all autonomy and control to a higher authority at whim, no questions asked. People really are like sheep, and in this country we have lots of them.

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

I can't believe we're not going to nominate him. It's the most obvious thing ever.

I'm sick of Trump when he keeps saying he is beating Hillary easily in the polls..

Please show me one recent poll that has him up even slightly nationwide..I think it's been awhile

NBC/Wall Street Journal has her up by 13 and ABC has her up winning by nine according to this...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

He's too shallow to be a Democrat. There's no depth to him.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

He's too shallow to be a Democrat. There's no depth to him.

I've got to say your anti-Rubio thing has passed over to the "doth protest too much" category. What is the deal?

Well the tone of this one seemed to be largely, "Meh, accept it - Trump is the nominee." Rubio was excellent - but completely laid off Trump. So will that help him? Are the polls accurate? Could he pull off a Sanders-in-Michigan? I don't know.

One would suspect that this kind of night plays into the hands of the favorite, and there is little doubt that Trump is the favorite at the moment, particularly in Florida.

Trump getting another in kind donation from cnn as this ends. Just so fucking obnoxious.

threecount wrote:I'm sick of Trump when he keeps saying he is beating Hillary easily in the polls..

Please show me one recent poll that has him up even slightly nationwide..I think it's been awhile

NBC/Wall Street Journal has her up by 13 and ABC has her up winning by nine according to this...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Yup. Just one the many lies Trump gets away with.

mozartpc27 wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

He's too shallow to be a Democrat. There's no depth to him.

I've got to say your anti-Rubio thing has passed over to the "doth protest too much" category. What is the deal?

Rubio is incredibly conservative. DIM is not.

mozartpc27 wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

He's too shallow to be a Democrat. There's no depth to him.

I've got to say your anti-Rubio thing has passed over to the "doth protest too much" category. What is the deal?

I've already said that he's the worst kind of politician. He's a puppet for the handful of billionaires who are funding his campaign and are controlling his every move. Everything he says feels scripted because it is. He's a fraud who hates his job as Senator.

And quite frankly, there is no conviction to anything he says and that's showing in the way he's performing right now. Republican voters are not buying his message because he's full of shit.

Lol, just read they showed a pro-Castro clip of Bernie at last night's debate. That's gonna hurt him in Florida.

pacino wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

He's too shallow to be a Democrat. There's no depth to him.

I've got to say your anti-Rubio thing has passed over to the "doth protest too much" category. What is the deal?

Rubio is incredibly conservative. DIM is not.

I mean, I am no conservative either. But there is a level of personal, relentless attack directed at Rubio that seems to go above and beyond mere dislike of the man's policy positions. Cruz is more abhorrent yet, and DIM isn't dedicating so much of his commentary toward him, to say nothing of Trump.

DIM explains himself above... but I dunno. Is Rubio a fake? Or is he a genuine conservative? If he were just looking for personal glory, as I suggest above, he'd have a lot better luck as a Democrat running for this office. If Rubio were running against Clinton right now for that nomination...it'd be a dog fight.

I don't like Rubio, but I can separate that from an objective analysis of his strengths and weaknesses as a candidate. Frankly I am not sure what is wrong for him, because he ticks off a lot of boxes and has an undeniable charm and wit, and a fine command of the issues.

No one I've ever seen speaks 'conservative' better than Marco Rubio. It's personal, heartfelt, and at least to my ear compelling.

Rubio was a young guy who was a Dole volunteer, and ended up as the chair of his campaign in Miami Dade County. Worked his way up through local politics to assembly, earned his way into leadership by doing thankless work on redistricting after the 2000 census, wrote a forward thinking book on ways to improve Florida as he ascended to speaker, challenged the sitting governor in the GOP primary for US Senate and chased him out of the race, and thoroughly dominated his old mentor, who happened to be the son and brother of a president, despite being heavily outgunned with resources in the race for the nomination. Suggesting that he's just a puppet of the party establishment and its donors or whatever is either trolling (if so you got me) or really fucking dumb. The guy has deep convictions and has demonstrated them repeatedly throughout his career.

I understand Democrats wanting to run more against Trump or Cruz. I don't really understand openly loathing Rubio more than Trump or Cruz.

mozartpc27 wrote:

pacino wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Rubio should rethink his life because he'd be killing it if he were a Democrat.

He's had a lot of good one-liners tonight, not that this is a measure of anything.

He's too shallow to be a Democrat. There's no depth to him.

I've got to say your anti-Rubio thing has passed over to the "doth protest too much" category. What is the deal?

Rubio is incredibly conservative. DIM is not.

I mean, I am no conservative either. But there is a level of personal, relentless attack directed at Rubio that seems to go above and beyond mere dislike of the man's policy positions. Cruz is more abhorrent yet, and DIM isn't dedicating so much of his commentary toward him, to say nothing of Trump.

DIM explains himself above... but I dunno. Is Rubio a fake? Or is he a genuine conservative? If he were just looking for personal glory, as I suggest above, he'd have a lot better luck as a Democrat running for this office. If Rubio were running against Clinton right now for that nomination...it'd be a dog fight.

I don't like Rubio, but I can separate that from an objective analysis of his strengths and weaknesses as a candidate. Frankly I am not sure what is wrong for him, because he ticks off a lot of boxes and has an undeniable charm and wit, and a fine command of the issues.

He'd have no luck running as a Democrat and to even suggest it is strange. He's a conservative who won his seat in the Senate as someone who supported the Tea Party. So this idea that he's now some sort of moderate who can compete against Clinton in the Democratic primary is preposterous.

And while you see "undeniable charm and wit", others see a sweaty half-wit who's robotic and immature.

Doll Is Mine wrote:He'd have no luck running as a Democrat and to even suggest it is strange. He's a conservative who won his seat in the Senate as someone who supported the Tea Party. So this idea that he's now some sort of moderate who can compete against Clinton in the Democratic primary is preposterous.

Well of course I didn't mean he'd have no problem running against Hillary if all he did was switch his party registration and start trying to win Democratic delegates, that would be stupid. What I was trying to indicate was that if you took Rubio's essential, non-political qualities (an easy charm and wit, natural good looks, but sharp intelligence, eloquence, nd ability to command complex policy questions), and then combined them with liberal positions, he'd be a formidable opponent to Hillary for the nomination. I don't think there is any doubt that there is a significant subset of the Republican "base" - mostly the Trump vote - that have a hard time voting for candidates from ethnic minorities. Rubio's background hurts him with these people. If he were merely a cynical, calculated politician, looking to accretion of power to himself as his first and only goal, he would have figured this out and "become" a Democrat at some point, perhaps very early in his career. The fact that he has stuck to conservative principles - even when it does not help him personally to do so - suggests he is in this for more than mere vanity.

Doll Is Mine wrote:And while you see "undeniable charm and wit", others see a sweaty half-wit who's robotic and immature.

See, it's comments like these that underscore what I am saying. Calling the man "sweaty" is a third grade insult, does nothing to diminish Rubio in any way (the brother sweats a lot, I guess, some people do - and I am not even sure he really does sweat some weirdly absurd amount), but does say something about the person who delivers the insult.

What evidence do you have for his immaturity?

Calling him "robotic" is just picking up on a manufactured and pre-packaged talking point against him, and does nothing to make your "analysis" seem considered or objective. And yes, he hiccupped in the NH debate, got caught off-guard and then reflexively relied on a rehearsed talking point. Not a great moment for him. But his next time out he demonstrated unequivocally he had learned from the experience, because not only did he not repeat it (and he hasn't repeated it since), he successfully employed the tactic that had been used against him against his principal opponent (Trump).

Again, I am a Democrat, a very liberal one at that, I want no part of a Rubio presidency. I am trying, however, to evaluate him objectively as a candidate in the sense of his "formidableness" for lack of a better term. He is not without his flaws, he is a little green, I'll give you that - he probably has a few things yet to learn - but he is serious talent (who may be, oddly, risking his future to contest Florida next week) who should be taken seriously.

It's the tone, relentlessness, and, to some degree, the exclusiveness of your comments against Rubio that I find odd - it seems like something other than political reasons is motivating them. In an everyday sense, you seem weirdly obsessed with him.

I don't know what you want me to say. I don't like him.

When you say that "he is a serious talent who should be taken seriously", I vehemently disagree. In fact, that describes John Kasich more than it does Rubio if you ask me. Rubio has no substance, in my opinion, plain and simple.

I make fun of him because he's a joke.

As for others like Ted Cruz and Trump, I take them a little more seriously because they've convinced a lot of people to vote for them. Their message is resonating with people even though I don't agree with them. There's also a reason why the Republican establishment can't stand them and absolutely love Rubio. They can't control them like they can Rubio.

Eh, maybe I'm wrong. It just seems like you are constantly trying to land punches against Rubio that don't land. Rubio has all kinds of horrible ideas, and the old problem of trying to serve too many masters (his squishiness on what to do about illegal immigrants and immigration policy being a case in point). So there are plenty of legit criticisms of him to make. Repeatedly calling him "sweaty" and "a robot" and such doesn't help to make your point. I guess we have a genuine disagreement about whether he is a man of substance or not. I'll grant that is a debatable point, but it's weird to me to harp on Rubio as the one with no substance when he is getting eviscerated by TV dinner candidate extraordinaire Donald Trump.