Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:42:41

Ronald Reagan started his campaign for president discussing state's rights at the Neshoba County Fair. he explicitly used the Southern Strategy to get elected. Donald Trump is simply following in the hallowed legacy of Saint Ronnie.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Gimpy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:48:33

How's Donald done with black voters so far? Hasn't most of the racist crap he's said been anti-Latino or anti-Muslim? I can't remember him saying anything about black people.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:52:13

there aren't any black voters in republican primaries. it's impossible to poll.

he and his family have historically been extremely racist in speech and practice against the black community in NYC/Atlantic City/etc. kinda doubt people forget
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:54:12

drsmooth wrote:
JUburton wrote: 538 still has him just barely on track. Needs 282 by the end of next Tuesday to maintain.


it's a game of inches, and drumpf has to do more than not stumble - and in my opinion, that's his real problem.

Consider that he didn't win a majority in a #$!&@ like MS. that failure alone could cost him the nomination-clinching delegate count. The narrative from most of the happy-yapper media, and even 538, is how he's "winning" everywhere - which is true, in a mostly meaningless sense. To win the nomination, he's not winning enough - even with the stupid skew the Rs have built in to their crummy "process".


Dude you offer hope in a hopeless world. No one - not even Silver - is telling the full story.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:02:59

I'm not sure. The general narrative driven primarily by 538, is that Trump is the slight favorite. It was a pretty good day for him yesterday and if he has a very good day in a week and beats Kasich and Rubio in their home states, their only incentive to stay in is to stay the course with the Romney plan. If they drop and it's Trump/Cruz, then he gains a somewhat decent path to the nomination.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:25:28

Is it true all the books Trump has written start with Chapter 11?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Slowhand » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:43:22

JFLNYC wrote:Is it true all the books Trump has written start with Chapter 11?


:lol:
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 09, 2016 13:14:39

Turkish authorities took over the leading dissenting newspaper:
Protesters outside the offices of the Zaman newspaper in Istanbul were met with tear gas and rubber bullets Saturday, after a court ruled Friday that the daily, with a circulation of 650,000, be run by administrators. State media reported the decision came at the request of a prosecutor investigating Fethullah Gülen, who is affiliated to Zaman and one of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s main opponents, on terrorism charges. U.S.-based Gülen denies the charges.

just another day in Erdogan's authoritarian paradise. an authoritarian showman back by the religious right in office, what could go wrong?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Gimpy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 13:30:59

Good for America's close ally, Turkey.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Gimpy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 13:31:53

pacino wrote:he and his family have historically been extremely racist in speech and practice against the black community in NYC/Atlantic City/etc. kinda doubt people forget


This election season has proven that people have short memories when it comes to candidates.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Wed Mar 09, 2016 13:36:05

pacino wrote:Turkish authorities took over the leading dissenting newspaper:
Protesters outside the offices of the Zaman newspaper in Istanbul were met with tear gas and rubber bullets Saturday, after a court ruled Friday that the daily, with a circulation of 650,000, be run by administrators. State media reported the decision came at the request of a prosecutor investigating Fethullah Gülen, who is affiliated to Zaman and one of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s main opponents, on terrorism charges. U.S.-based Gülen denies the charges.

just another day in Erdogan's authoritarian paradise. an authoritarian showman back by the religious right in office, what could go wrong?


that's nobody's business but the Turks

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 09, 2016 13:45:46

Gimpy wrote:Good for America's close ally, Turkey.

this is no reflection on some failure of the US' foreign affairs; the rise of the AKP has been fueled by many things within the country, hardly any of which have to do with some failure we did. In fact, in the mid 2000s we were hoping Turkey would be the bridge between 'East' and 'West' and be able to enter the EU. He's preyed on the fears of the Turkish people as the economy has slowed down, and it's worked. As he walks further down the anti-democratic line it becomes harder and harder to shake him out of it.

We are between a rock and a hard place and another rock since they are in NATO and we are also backing the YPG in Syria while he is scapegoating Kurds within and outside Turkey as a major issue and all terrorists, etc. it's not like *we* have any short-term fix. we can use NATO to leverage Erdogan to go down a different path, but they ARE needed. Our improving relationship with Iran helps us with leveraging them, too.

i'd rather they be an ally and work on improving things than to cut off a vital relationship for moralistic reasons. it's not long-term thinking.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Mar 09, 2016 13:52:03

Time for an invasion and some nation building.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 09, 2016 14:34:15

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Mar 09, 2016 14:48:11

It's ridiculous that cable news networks would literally interrupt their own programming to air Trump's rallies. And this happened regularly. No other candidate received this special treatment.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Mar 09, 2016 14:55:39

They're just getting used to it for when he's Our Leader.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Mar 09, 2016 15:06:29

Cable news specializes in things that are ridiculous.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Mar 09, 2016 15:24:16

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Mar 09, 2016 15:47:00

If fracking (thinking specifically of natural gas fracking) reduces the amount of coal we burn, that's pretty much a win. (Though the methane issue is troubling.)
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Mar 09, 2016 15:54:34

JUburton wrote:I'm not sure. The general narrative driven primarily by 538, is that Trump is the slight favorite. It was a pretty good day for him yesterday and if he has a very good day in a week and beats Kasich and Rubio in their home states, their only incentive to stay in is to stay the course with the Romney plan. If they drop and it's Trump/Cruz, then he gains a somewhat decent path to the nomination.


The general narrative has been that drumpf is automatic short of a meteor strike. Virtually no popular media outlet has given any attention to the fussy business of delegate accumulation; 538 has, but has discounted its implications - for reasons I'm not clear about, but which may be obvious in the context of 'horserace reporting' - for a "drumpf is a lock" assertion.
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