Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Grotewold » Sun Feb 21, 2016 14:18:49

Seriously though, what an uninspiring and or dogshit cast of characters on both sides other than Bernie. They make Romney look Mt Rushmore worthy

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby SK790 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 15:18:49

JUburton wrote:trump certainly does have a path to the nomination. it would be foolish to count him out at this point. it would also be foolish to proclaim him the nominee after he ran well in iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina.

He's the only one with an actual path to nomination right now (as Calvin says, he's ahead in the polls [that are mostly old and don't take into account the loss of Jeb plus whoever else], but still...).

The rest of them have hypothetical paths based on others dropping out. I agree with doc that the base will eventually come around Rubio, but I'm hoping Kasich holds on as long as possible so Trump can rack up the delegates.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby SK790 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 15:21:51

pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Here's the thing--Cruz can't win the nomination--if he can't win in places like SC, he can't win enough states to get the nomination particularly when much of the party leadership hates his guts and would rather see Trump win the nomination. But he's not going to drop out anytime soon. I don't think it's really likely Cruz makes a deal with Rubio to drop out in exchange for veep or something. Furthermore, even if Cruz does drop out, I don't think more than half his supporters go to Rubio.

The surprising thing about Trump is the people who say they are supporting him in the polls are showing up to vote. If I'm not mistake, SC is a closed primary state, and if that's correct, that means Trump's support is coming from registered Republicans, not angry low information independents or mischievous Democrats.

However, I don't think Trump can win a majority of delegates. So get your popcorn ready.

i believe i saw a CNN breakdown which split up republicans and independents, so I think it's partially open; however, Trump was fairly even :

76% republicans
Trump 32%
Cruz 24%
Rubio 23%
Bush 8%
Carson 6%
Kasich 6%

22% independents
Trump 33%
Rubio 19%
Cruz 17%
Kasich 13%
Carson 10%
Bush 7%


I wonder if Republican voters realize that Kasich is an extremely conservative guy? I guess expanding medicaid was the be all, end all. They see that and move on. He's pretty much boilerplate modern conservative with everything else. The rest of the public is generally for expanding medicaid.

fwiw, the breakdown was also 96% white. the 4% of other is too small for them to get accurate data on who went for who. the party has a problem there in the general election.

75% also think banning Muslims is a good thing. America!
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby SK790 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 15:29:06

Trump's campaign is pretty interesting if you look at it as a societal experiment to see what percentage of the Republican party was voting for them because of their racist, misogynistic, or otherwise prejudiced views. I guess you can include the anti-PC crowd in there, too.

It's a surprising number.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Feb 21, 2016 16:07:17

The American psyche, squirming like a toad
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Feb 21, 2016 18:58:45

i'm with calvin

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Sun Feb 21, 2016 20:26:04

Can't quite believe in the politics thread I came to say "Doc is right"

Chump gets votes only from men not fully descended from apes. If you got past 7th grade, Chump disgusts you. His ceiling is 35%. And it's sad that 35% of GOP voters are wasting their opposable thumbs on Chump.

The media loves it and SNL loves it, and I'm gonna buy Doc a shot of absinthe when Chump has to quit, concede, or go out in a restroom like Rizzo.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Feb 21, 2016 20:31:53

TomatoPie wrote:Can't quite believe in the politics thread I came to say "Doc is right"


....and if three people do it... can you imagine three people walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Turnip's a horse's ass" and walkin' out? They may think it's an
organization....
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby pacino » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:33:26

exit polls are showing he has a wide base of support (as wide as it can be in the Republican party, anyway) amongst all income and education levels, fwiw
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:37:16

SK790 wrote:
JUburton wrote:trump certainly does have a path to the nomination. it would be foolish to count him out at this point. it would also be foolish to proclaim him the nominee after he ran well in iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina.

He's the only one with an actual path to nomination right now (as Calvin says, he's ahead in the polls [that are mostly old and don't take into account the loss of Jeb plus whoever else], but still...).

The rest of them have hypothetical paths based on others dropping out. I agree with doc that the base will eventually come around Rubio, but I'm hoping Kasich holds on as long as possible so Trump can rack up the delegates.


But even so, rubio will start having to win States and win by huge numbers. A lot of states left are promotional. Kasich and Cruz are staying until March 1. Cruz probably longer. That means, in theory, rubio doesn't get all the delegates he would otherwise. In other words, the delegates Cruz and kasich sweep up. That puts him in a bigger hole. Where does he start to close the gap?

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:38:05

pacino wrote:exit polls are showing he has a wide base of support (as wide as it can be in the Republican party, anyway) amongst all income and education levels, fwiw


Doc has looked at the polls, Pacino. He feels this rubio thing in his gut or something.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:43:11

pacino wrote:exit polls are showing he has a wide base of support (as wide as it can be in the Republican party, anyway) amongst all income and education levels, fwiw


SC exit polls?

I'd discount those. Heavily. He doesn't have a wide base of R support.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby pacino » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:47:21

Can't argue with that, I guess.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:47:47

Rubio has to win Florida. If he doesn't 99 delegates go to trump. There aren't a ton of recent polls but trump was in the 40s and rubio in the teens.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Feb 21, 2016 21:58:29

You'll have to provide some evidence, Doc.

I feel like he does pull random people of all types. Like most forms of insanity, the Trump scourge affects all walks of life.

Sometime soon, Rubio will need to make progress or he'll fall too far behind to catch Trump. I've always thought it would be Rubio, but he has yet to come close to winning anything and appears to have a glass jaw. I feel like Trump could finish him off with one wag of his tongue, but he has so far avoided Rubio. I have no idea why unless he's got an agreement, maybe to take Rubio as VP if he gets the nomination.

I actually think a Trump/Rubio ticket might be tough if things didn't fall right for Clinton.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Feb 21, 2016 22:07:21

He's repeated the same general insults over and over. What more proof do you need?

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Werthless » Sun Feb 21, 2016 23:06:27

Calvinball, using data, here is your answer for why most people refuse to believe Trump has a shot to win:

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-m ... image.aspx

Trump now has a higher unfavorable rating than any candidate at any time during all of these previous election cycles, and that conclusion takes into account the fact that unfavorable ratings tend to rise in the heat of a general election campaign as the barbs, negative ads and heightened partisanship are taken to their highest levels.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Feb 21, 2016 23:30:52

CalvinBall wrote:He's repeated the same general insults over and over. What more proof do you need?


Help me out Calvin. Are you telling me you view the attitudes of the SC electorate as representative of broad swaths of the US voting populace in states Turnip would need to win to do anything other than dismantle the R party?
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Youseff » Mon Feb 22, 2016 00:05:35

Werthless wrote:Calvinball, using data, here is your answer for why most people refuse to believe Trump has a shot to win:

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-m ... image.aspx

Trump now has a higher unfavorable rating than any candidate at any time during all of these previous election cycles, and that conclusion takes into account the fact that unfavorable ratings tend to rise in the heat of a general election campaign as the barbs, negative ads and heightened partisanship are taken to their highest levels.


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... ble-rating

Hillary is at 53% though, and getting worse.

this is gonna be a shit show. gonna get way way worse.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 00:19:37

CalvinBall wrote:Rubio has to win Florida. If he doesn't 99 delegates go to trump. There aren't a ton of recent polls but trump was in the 40s and rubio in the teens.


I'll take any reasonably priced bet anyone wants to make right now against Rubio winning Florida.
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