Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

by **pacino** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:10:21

mozartpc27 wrote:
pacino wrote:wow, is that for real? i cant even imagine ann saying something like that.

Sarcasm?

no, it wasnt. that was just beyond anything. she actually seemed really 'nice' to disabled people when i saw her in a video. pathetic. i figured she was just a complete mary matalin/james carville hack, not a true hateful person, to be honest. thought she just knew hwo to make money.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:10:39

pacino wrote:oh my god

The ensuing Twitter war/hand-wringing should be spectacular. Been very disappointed that Coulter has been getting invited to the "power house round table" with George Stephanopolous on Sunday mornings.

Yeah, that's all over.

by **drsmooth** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:12:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:i just dont know how you are reading the ppp stuff. looks like obama won pretty handily.

They didn't include how indys moved in their write up because they're Dem hacks, Calvin. Look at the crosstabs.

momentum, wha'd I tell ya

by **pacino** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:13:11

according to a comment on my FB, what made the economy tank was the election of obama...

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:13:28

Can't wait for when she doubles down by characterizing her remarks as " an insult to retards." Should be in about an hour.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:13:58

pacino wrote:according to a comment on my FB, what made the economy tank was the election of obama...

Person is just plagiarizing Dick Morris. You should call him out on it.

by **pacino** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:15:04

mozartpc27 wrote:
pacino wrote:according to a comment on my FB, what made the economy tank was the election of obama...

Person is just plagiarizing Dick Morris. You should call him out on it.

he owns a business. i dont. he's a job creator, son.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:18:17

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:i just dont know how you are reading the ppp stuff. looks like obama won pretty handily.

They didn't include how indys moved in their write up because they're Dem hacks, Calvin. Look at the crosstabs.

momentum, wha'd I tell ya

Looking at how an election event affects vote choice, such a controversial idea

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:19:04

first debate obama was bad. polls showed it. i think most dems agreed that to be the case.

romney wasnt that good tonight. polls show obama won by a decent margin. republicans think romney won.

whatever.

by **pacino** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:20:01

CalvinBall wrote:first debate obama was bad. polls showed it. i think most dems agreed that to be the case.

romney wasnt that good tonight. polls show obama won by a decent margin. republicans think romney won.

whatever.

now you got it.

by **bleh** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:23:49

CalvinBall wrote:first debate obama was bad. polls showed it. i think most dems agreed that to be the case.

romney wasnt that good tonight. polls show obama won by a decent margin. republicans think romney won.

whatever.

it's the party of wishful thinking.

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:25:10

also, obama stared too much tonight im told. looked down too much in debate number one.

guy cant win.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:30:37

CalvinBall wrote:first debate obama was bad. polls showed it. i think most dems agreed that to be the case.

romney wasnt that good tonight. polls show obama won by a decent margin. republicans think romney won.

whatever.

There are a couple of different things going on here. Democrats are saying Obama won the debate. I think most neutral observers seem to agree Obama won the debate on points. He was much more aggressive in attacking Romney, while Romney pulled some punches. Romney seemed to be going after a different objective - trying to show people that he's someone they'd be OK with being their commander in chief. Obama won the debate according to all the polls, but the questions about people being OK with Romney as CinC showed that he probably accomplished what he set out to do there, and the more/less likely to vote for questions are providing early evidence that Romney's strategy in the debate was as effective as Obama's.

by gr » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:39:27

We are now in Get Out The Vote territory. Romney still has to figure out how pull upsets in a few states to have a shot.

by **SK790** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:39:47

Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight

Average of CNN, CBS & @Google_Surveys post-debate polls: 1st: Romney +29; VP: Biden +6; 2nd: Obama +10; 3rd: Obama +16

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:40:46

rest of the world favors president obama

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20008687

by **SK790** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:42:53

CalvinBall wrote:rest of the world favors president obama

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20008687

seems really weird that this would be the case. maybe just because all they saw about this election were the horrible gaffes from romney.

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 00:50:59

the last segment on this american life this week is pretty nuts. it is about how oklahoma got furious about a bill that was going to be passed that would promote the idea of pre-k education using private dollars to fund the promotion. thing is oklahoma already had pre-k education bc of some loophole in the law.

makes me laugh at the reddest of all red states.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-a ... act=4#play

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 02:03:51

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls
Mitt Romney now leads Barack Obama 49-47 based on the last 3 nights of our national tracking, all pre-debate though

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
PPP national tracking has Romney up 2, 49-47 (was tied yesterday). Romney up 9 w/ indys. Sample is D+6.

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
PPP daily has Obama approval at 45/51, Romney more favorable (+5) than Obama (-2). Among indys, Romney its an 18 pt gap (+9 for R, -9 for O)

One last point before I call it a night.

Nate tells you guys Obama is 70% to win the election and his odds are strengthening not weakening, but man, look at those two performances tonight and who acted like the guy who needed to shake things up compared to the guy who was completely comfortable not making any waves. I guess the Dem response to that is Romney's team didn't feel comfortable having him engage the president fully on foreign policy issues, but I think this evening said a good bit about both camps' polls and where they think the race is headed. Obama's crew thought he needed to try and disqualify Romney among undecideds/swing voters and/or rile up the base. Romney's group figured him clearing a bar of acceptability on the Commander in Chief question among swing voters was all that was required from tonight to win the election. The inclination toward prevent defense might be ill advised even if you're actually winning, but that they'd choose to go there says something (and you guys would say the 'something' is they knew Romney couldn't hang trading blows; I disagree, but I guess that's an explanation).

I picked out PPP's poll from tonight to lead the post because it seems to really get at Romney's edge among indy voters and his (sudden) improvement in favorability ratings. The president seems to be in an increasing amount of trouble electorally, regardless of how 538 is cooking up these numbers.

We'll know for sure in a couple of weeks (or sooner if the polls radically change), and I'll take enough beating if Romney loses and do enough crowing if Romney wins that me sticking my neck out here isn't particularly interesting. But in all seriousness I think the race is a complete tossup at the moment, and if you put a gun to my head I'd say Romney is going to win.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 04:09:22

Switched on debate. Promptly fell asleep. Awoke during post-game. What I miss?

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