Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:44:09

Jennifer Rubin ‏@JRubinBlogger
@jpodhoretz imagine how furious he must be loosing to Romney..unfortunately we don't have to imagine.. He shows it

never change, jennifer rubin, blogger.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:46:05

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp
Obama's problem, to a certain extent, is that the press has viewed Romney's move to the middle as tactically smart not a question of core

sigh, this makes me sad
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:47:38

td11 wrote:Jennifer Rubin ‏@JRubinBlogger
@jpodhoretz imagine how furious he must be loosing to Romney..unfortunately we don't have to imagine.. He shows it

never change, jennifer rubin, blogger.

I'm not one to buy into the "liberal media" narrative by any stretch, but I'm convinced that the Washington Post hired her simply to discredit all conservative pundits by association. Rubin gives us this gem today:

The myth of the myth of apologies
By Jennifer Rubin
President Obama is right that fact-checkers routinely declare it to be a “myth” that he has apologized for America. The fact-checkers are wrong, however. The variance from reality is so great on this one that you realize how potent is the information bubble in which the president and mainstream media reside. He is out with an new ad today citing a couple of these. Obama was caught flat-footed and didn’t attempt a response.

I am hardly the first to compile lists of apologetic utterances from Obama. These include an apology in front of the Turkish Parliament: “Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history.” And don’t forget the apology to all of Europe, delivered in France:


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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:49:29

humility=apology

got it

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:50:30

You're missing the point. I'm not criticizing the surrogates for spinning it, I'm saying that it's proof that he didn't win last night, or even come close to Obama for that matter.


I did a terrible job of trying to be snarky.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:52:23

td11 wrote:Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp
Obama's problem, to a certain extent, is that the press has viewed Romney's move to the middle as tactically smart not a question of core

I've seen it discussed as both simultaneously, and I agree on both counts. Part of that is b/c I also think that the average American voter is too lazy/stupid/disinterested (you pick) to comprehend Romney's dramatic shifts over the past election cycle. They need simple talking points (a.k.a. John Kerry and "flip flop") but the etch-a-sketch line just hasn't caught on.

(BTW, nothing funnier than hearing John Kerry call Romney an "etch-a-sketch" this morning on CNN.)

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:53:03

thephan wrote:
You're missing the point. I'm not criticizing the surrogates for spinning it, I'm saying that it's proof that he didn't win last night, or even come close to Obama for that matter.


I did a terrible job of trying to be snarky.

It's been a long past three days, so maybe my snark detector is broken. We'll share the blame on this one. 8-)

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:53:54

Richmond, I think Mozart's map has the wrong color for VA, should be blue. Do you agree?

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:59:53

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:the average American voter is too lazy/stupid/disinterested (you pick) to comprehend Romney's dramatic shifts over the past election cycle.


I suspect the vast majority of undecideds didn't know jack about Willard's positions prior to the first debate, so they've taken everything since then at face value.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:00:08

The list of things not covered has to include China. What was said was pretty minuscule, and largely redundant. China is a huge topic. The pivot to Asia, which was not mentioned at all, is all about an aggressive China dominating the region.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:05:25

Meh. Once they're labeled a currency manipulator they'll collapse into a bowl of mushy rice noodles.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:21:36

thephan wrote:Richmond, I think Mozart's map has the wrong color for VA, should be blue. Do you agree?

Honestly, I think it's such a tossup here in VA that it could come down to the freaking weather forecast on Election Day. Nate Silver has the chances of winning in VA as 51% Obama and 49% Romney, so essentially a coin flip.

I know that even though the TV ads are essentially split, I've been getting bombarded with GOP mailings in Chesterfield County. I have no idea who actually pays attention to those at this point though.

I think Obama needs a great showing from Kaine to take VA. Right now, Kaine's up a few points in just about every poll. If Kaine can hold that lead, then Obama wins.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:33:42

thephan wrote:The list of things not covered has to include China. What was said was pretty minuscule, and largely redundant. China is a huge topic. The pivot to Asia, which was not mentioned at all, is all about an aggressive China dominating the region.


i saw an ad today on china. a chinese man was speaking to chinese students in chinese. the whole ad was subtitled. it was supposed to be from the future and china was laughing at the history lesson on the USA being given because china was the world power.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:42:10

JFLNYC wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:the average American voter is too lazy/stupid/disinterested (you pick) to comprehend Romney's dramatic shifts over the past election cycle.


I suspect the vast majority of undecideds didn't know jack about Willard's positions prior to the first debate, so they've taken everything since then at face value.

Exactly.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:54:30

CalvinBall wrote:
thephan wrote:The list of things not covered has to include China. What was said was pretty minuscule, and largely redundant. China is a huge topic. The pivot to Asia, which was not mentioned at all, is all about an aggressive China dominating the region.


i saw an ad today on china. a chinese man was speaking to chinese students in chinese. the whole ad was subtitled. it was supposed to be from the future and china was laughing at the history lesson on the USA being given because china was the world power.


this ad has been running sporadically for several months. Not really sure what its point is. China's political leadership is prone to bouts of, let's call it overconfidence, that they ordinarily keep tightly under wraps. Occasionally little hubris farts escape their dragnet.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Oct 23, 2012 13:06:13

td11 wrote:Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp
Obama's problem, to a certain extent, is that the press has viewed Romney's move to the middle as tactically smart not a question of core

sigh, this makes me sad


Me, as well. I mean this is not a half-time adjustment at the Super Bowl; a candidate's views are supposed to be his/her core beliefs. While the press may see Romney as "tactically smart", I see him as either (a) an out-and-out liar who will do or say anything to get what he wants; or (b) someone with no core beliefs. I don't want either guy in the White House. Voting for Obama may literally be a "devil you know" scenario for some because Romney shape-shifts on a daily basis.

A number of pages back, somebody asked the seemingly rhetorical question as to why Romney's base has let him get away from the conservative positions that won him the nomination. The answer is that the base knows that he is currently saying whatever people want to hear in order to get their vote.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 13:27:31

traderdave wrote:A number of pages back, somebody asked the seemingly rhetorical question as to why Romney's base has let him get away from the conservative positions that won him the nomination. The answer is that the base knows that he is currently saying whatever people want to hear in order to get their vote.

Maybe. But if anything, his views (at least the social and foreign policy views) are shifting more towards what they USED to be prior to this past primary cycle. So shouldn't the base be more concerned?

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 13:27:43

the #1 priority for the base is, and has been since at least the 2010 round of elections, getting the Pres out of the white house. nothing else matters. doesn't matter how shitty a candidate romney is, team republican needs to win the white house cup
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby phatj » Tue Oct 23, 2012 13:29:23

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