Also 538 is cooking numbers, but look at this one post debate poll I've decided was most important.

Lol at country among those polled by BBC in which Romney found greatest popularity

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:first debate obama was bad. polls showed it. i think most dems agreed that to be the case.

romney wasnt that good tonight. polls show obama won by a decent margin. republicans think romney won.

whatever.

now you got it.

When the Romney surrogates have to answer questions about the post-debate polls this morning by starting with "well it depends on what you mean by "winning,'" then yeah, it wasn't a win for Romney. The question is whether it cost him any more of the momentum than what he'd already been losing over the past week.

Aside from his running mate, but what else could he say? He does sound a bit foolish IMO.

well at least he has Pakistan

I'm going to go ahead and guess those are a little skewed and the incumbent always has a pretty big lead in them. Also Obama probably gets a little bump from a nobel prize and the fact he's not an old rich white dude.

Romney is making one stop in Nevada today and one tomorrow. Seems like a waste of his time. But I guess he desperately needs it to win the election. Otherwise he needs one of Ohio and Wisconsin. Electoral map is weakening for Romney.

Am I the only one that is glad the debates are over with? Let's just get to voting already.

Why'd they leave off Israel? Or really pretty much all the Middle East?

CalvinBall wrote:stop in Nevada

Underrated Billy Joel song.

traderdave wrote:Am I the only one that is glad the debates are over with? Let's just get to voting already.

I'm pretty sure you're in the majority.

JUburton wrote:I'm going to go ahead and guess those are a little skewed and the incumbent always has a pretty big lead in them. Also Obama probably gets a little bump from a nobel prize and the fact he's not an old rich white dude.

The country in which Romney polled best was Kenya. where Kenyans live. And you know what they are.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... r-force-s/

Laugh line aside, how has Team Romney not corrected this defective message since Janurary. It is no more true now then it was then. In 1917 the a force strength was up 194k from 60k as the country entered a war in Europe (1918 was over 500k). It's was a war that had a large Naval component and legendary sea battles. Back in the day that was how stuff got places, in particular men. The forces did include submarines (44) in 1917, but none had missiles.

Today the Navy is over 300k personnel running a nuclear and aviation force projecting power globally. It is the most modern, capable naval force in the world. How will a nuclear reactor powered battle fleet compare to the old coal stoker days of the early 1900s in a Navy town like Norfolk? No favorably I would think.

JUburton wrote:I'm going to go ahead and guess those are a little skewed and the incumbent always has a pretty big lead in them. Also Obama probably gets a little bump from a nobel prize and the fact he's not an old rich white dude.

obama has made us weaker and other nations think less of us now

td11 wrote:

JUburton wrote:I'm going to go ahead and guess those are a little skewed and the incumbent always has a pretty big lead in them. Also Obama probably gets a little bump from a nobel prize and the fact he's not an old rich white dude.

obama has made us weaker and other nations think less of us now

goddamn secret muslim

traderdave wrote:Am I the only one that is glad the debates are over with? Let's just get to voting already.

What's painful is that there is still another two weeks to go. The last debate should happen like the Monday before the election.

td11 wrote:

JUburton wrote:I'm going to go ahead and guess those are a little skewed and the incumbent always has a pretty big lead in them. Also Obama probably gets a little bump from a nobel prize and the fact he's not an old rich white dude.

obama has made us weaker and other nations think less of us now

Hey, if Obama hadn't been on an apology tour of weakness, he'd be at 100% in all those polls, which is where of course President Romney will be!

Today's national Rasmussen not good for Obama. Didn't include debate obviously.

This morning I started listing topics that weren't covered at all in the four debates. In no particular order:

--drug war
--role of money in politics
--marriage equality
--climate change
--role and composition of supreme court
--corrections
--torture
--agriculture

I'd say that Wall Street regulation and education were very lightly covered.

Admittedly, these are issues that as a liberal I probably care about more than the median voter (though I think anyone who's interested in fiscal responsibility should be looking at the drug war and the prison-industrial complex). I guess I'm asking Werthless and maybe cshort if there are issues of more interest to the conservative-leaners that weren't covered.

And to be clear, I can't think of much that was covered which I would have tossed. Maybe a bit more on abortion and terrorism than I think was necessary, but they're important issues.

The debates are such a great opportunity for informing the public, particularly when you have two talented speakers going at it. These were decent, but could have been even better IMO.

So, with all the debates over, and two weeks to go, let's amuse ourselves with predictions. It's easy to call it night before/day of, but let's see who can get it right now two weeks out. I think this:

thephan wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:first debate obama was bad. polls showed it. i think most dems agreed that to be the case.

romney wasnt that good tonight. polls show obama won by a decent margin. republicans think romney won.

whatever.

now you got it.

When the Romney surrogates have to answer questions about the post-debate polls this morning by starting with "well it depends on what you mean by "winning,'" then yeah, it wasn't a win for Romney. The question is whether it cost him any more of the momentum than what he'd already been losing over the past week.

Aside from his running mate, but what else could he say? He does sound a bit foolish IMO.

You're missing the point. I'm not criticizing the surrogates for spinning it, I'm saying that it's proof that he didn't win last night, or even come close to Obama for that matter.