All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 07:41:53

Romney should really rethink his farting on small children for fun agenda
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Soren » Wed Oct 10, 2012 08:22:40

this whole plan of just blatantly lying and calling foul when someone points it out is like kindergarden level stuff. Good thing nothing important is riding on this.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Wed Oct 10, 2012 08:52:41

Soren wrote:this whole plan of just blatantly lying and calling foul when someone points it out is like kindergarden level stuff. Good thing nothing important is riding on this.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney ... -ar,29845/

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Oct 10, 2012 08:54:02

Romney says he won't pursue anti-abortion laws. Romney's campaign disagrees. The guy has so much trouble sticking to a message that isn't his. It's unbelievable really.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Oct 10, 2012 08:58:11

JUburton wrote:
Soren wrote:this whole plan of just blatantly lying and calling foul when someone points it out is like kindergarden level stuff. Good thing nothing important is riding on this.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney ... -ar,29845/


That's amazing.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Rev_Beezer » Wed Oct 10, 2012 08:59:24

There's a lot of things that Romney says that his campaign retracts. Like, a shit ton of things.

He reminds me of that character on Murphy Brown who just wanted to be elected but was forced to say things by these real crazy people. Except it's not that bad.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:10:03

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/ ... ks/article

Romney said he looks for guidance to President Ronald Reagan, who campaigned that he would lower tax rates and would work with Congress to find deductions and exemptions – and then did so. Romney said he, too, will work with federal lawmakers to bring down tax rates but still bring in the revenue the country needs.

In response, James Kvaal, the Obama re-election campaign’s policy director, said in a telephone interview that “independent scorekeepers have put (Romney’s tax plan) at a cost of $5 trillion” over the next decade. “He said that he will offset that cost … but he hasn’t put on table a single step he would take to help offset that cost,” Kvaal said.

That claim about the $5 trillion cost is “not true,” FactCheck.org found, “Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.”

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If we continue the current policies that we have under the president, and his plan to increase taxes,” Romney said, “it’s hard to imagine that’s going to add jobs. I don’t know anyone who thinks that increasing taxes anywhere will promote job growth.”

The Obama campaign has said that studies of Romney’s plan by economists have found that his proposals to close tax loopholes wouldn’t cover the $5 trillion in tax cuts he wants or $2 trillion in extra military spending.

“The president during the last couple of weeks has been saying, ‘Well, you’re going to lower taxes by $5 trillion.’ Well, that’s just not accurate, and his deputy campaign manager actually admitted that was not accurate.”


amazing fact-checking. maybe it's just me, but this stuff is more maddening than anything the president did (or didn't do) during the debate.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:11:41

maybe Mitt is really a lot like Dave but his evil aides are holding him back

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:38:35

td11 wrote:http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/10/09/mitt-romney-on-his-tax-cut-plan-the-math-works/article

Romney said he looks for guidance to President Ronald Reagan, who campaigned that he would lower tax rates and would work with Congress to find deductions and exemptions – and then did so. Romney said he, too, will work with federal lawmakers to bring down tax rates but still bring in the revenue the country needs.

In response, James Kvaal, the Obama re-election campaign’s policy director, said in a telephone interview that “independent scorekeepers have put (Romney’s tax plan) at a cost of $5 trillion” over the next decade. “He said that he will offset that cost … but he hasn’t put on table a single step he would take to help offset that cost,” Kvaal said.

That claim about the $5 trillion cost is “not true,” FactCheck.org found, “Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.”

...

If we continue the current policies that we have under the president, and his plan to increase taxes,” Romney said, “it’s hard to imagine that’s going to add jobs. I don’t know anyone who thinks that increasing taxes anywhere will promote job growth.”

The Obama campaign has said that studies of Romney’s plan by economists have found that his proposals to close tax loopholes wouldn’t cover the $5 trillion in tax cuts he wants or $2 trillion in extra military spending.

“The president during the last couple of weeks has been saying, ‘Well, you’re going to lower taxes by $5 trillion.’ Well, that’s just not accurate, and his deputy campaign manager actually admitted that was not accurate.”


amazing fact-checking. maybe it's just me, but this stuff is more maddening than anything the president did (or didn't do) during the debate.


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:41:59

Romney up in the rcp average.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:46:29

bummer

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:49:46

td11 wrote:http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/10/09/mitt-romney-on-his-tax-cut-plan-the-math-works/article

Romney said he looks for guidance to President Ronald Reagan, who campaigned that he would lower tax rates and would work with Congress to find deductions and exemptions – and then did so. Romney said he, too, will work with federal lawmakers to bring down tax rates but still bring in the revenue the country needs.

In response, James Kvaal, the Obama re-election campaign’s policy director, said in a telephone interview that “independent scorekeepers have put (Romney’s tax plan) at a cost of $5 trillion” over the next decade. “He said that he will offset that cost … but he hasn’t put on table a single step he would take to help offset that cost,” Kvaal said.

That claim about the $5 trillion cost is “not true,” FactCheck.org found, “Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.”

...

If we continue the current policies that we have under the president, and his plan to increase taxes,” Romney said, “it’s hard to imagine that’s going to add jobs. I don’t know anyone who thinks that increasing taxes anywhere will promote job growth.”

The Obama campaign has said that studies of Romney’s plan by economists have found that his proposals to close tax loopholes wouldn’t cover the $5 trillion in tax cuts he wants or $2 trillion in extra military spending.

“The president during the last couple of weeks has been saying, ‘Well, you’re going to lower taxes by $5 trillion.’ Well, that’s just not accurate, and his deputy campaign manager actually admitted that was not accurate.”


amazing fact-checking. maybe it's just me, but this stuff is more maddening than anything the president did (or didn't do) during the debate.

It's 5 trillion over 10 years, or 500B per year. Using this calculator, it's not hard to get around 500B for 2015:

Limit itemized deductions to 15%: 141
Convert mortgage deduction to credit: 52
Reduce charitable deduction: 23
Reduce deductions for state and local taxes: 69
Raise social securtity tax cutoff to 198k by 2050: 9
10% cut in foreign aid: 5
Cut amtrak and delay NASA missions: 3
Reduce Iraq and Afghan troops to 45k: 113
Efficiency initiatives: 28
Freeze govt hiring: 13
Reduce number of contract employees: 18
Kill Big bird: .5

That gets you to $474B, or 4.7T over 10 years. Romney isn't lying by proposing a framework for a revenue-neutral simplification of the tax code. And given all the handwringing and whining by liberals about cutting the PBS funding, it's obvious why he doesnt want to produce a laundry-list of programs and deductions that he would cut to accompany his tax rate cut.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:51:57

ok thanks mitt romney
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:52:36

yes, because items 1-4 results in a tax increase for a large portion of americans, which he promises isn't the case.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:55:46

Bucky wrote:yes, because items 1-4 results in a tax increase for a large portion of americans, which he promises isn't the case.
reducing deductions isn't raising taxes, duh!

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:56:54

how silly of me!

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:01:20

The GOP presidential nominee told the Des Moines Register yesterday that he doesn't intend to pursue legislation to restrict abortion if he is elected president. "There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda," Romney told the Register's editorial board.


If I didn't know any better I would think that this race is a democratic primary
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:03:33

Warszawa wrote:
The GOP presidential nominee told the Des Moines Register yesterday that he doesn't intend to pursue legislation to restrict abortion if he is elected president. "There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda," Romney told the Register's editorial board.


If I didn't know any better I would think that this race is a democratic primary
He also knows unless things go differently that he'd never have a Congressional makeup to get one passed. If he wants to restrict abortion he'd do it by appointing a justice or two when/if it becomes time.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:13:12

Bucky wrote:yes, because items 1-4 results in a tax increase for a large portion of americans, which he promises isn't the case.

Even with a 20% cut in rates, yes, some people's taxes will go up (those people that use tons of deductions), and some people's taxes will go down. His stated goal is to make it revenue neutral, which means that the amount collected is the same.

If you use the standard deduction, then your taxes should go down.

One thing I wonder about is how it will effect the alternative minimum tax net, and whether fewer people will be affected by it.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:18:30

td11 wrote:ok thanks mitt romney

I spend all my time on here rebutting mischaracterizations of his plan that I find myself identifying with it. Now I'm likely to vote for him, as opposed to Gary Johnson. Thanks for creating a Romney voter, everyone!

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