All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:48:04

I guess it depends on how you define "tangibly", but I was unable to get a job in the career I desired because of it. But, financially I am now much better of than if I had. I don't go around bitching about it, though, since I recognize there are many good reasons for AA, although the system is frequently abused.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:53:33

Bucky wrote:I guess it depends on how you define "tangibly", but I was unable to get a job in the career I desired because of it


not meaning to quibble, but I take it you mean you may not have gotten A specific job, not that you were aced out of ANY job in the field (the "career")?
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:59:02

it's pretty specific. I wanted a career as a philly firefighter. Was #137 raw score after taking the test (out of about 5,000 total participants) . That test created a hiring list which lasted for about 6 years, and they hired some 800 people from that list. I didn't even get a call to move the the next step of the process.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:07:57

Grotewold wrote:I think a return to the "deficits don't matter" stuff is way more likely than an elimination of the mortgage interest deduction

This is a much more worthwhile thing to worry about, although surrogates have made noises that if he can't get enough offsets he will cut rates by less

Romney has promised tax reform that: 1) cuts rates by 20%, 2) maintains the current progressivity of the system (specifically doesn't raise taxes on the middle class, doesn't reduce burden on high income taxpayers), 3) is revenue neutral (with growth/spending cuts figured in in some unspecified manner)

He's not going to turn around and raise taxes on the middle class. Even if you do not trust him, the thought of a middle class tax hike passing both houses of Congress is something beyond ludicrous. Depending on what deductions are put on the chopping block, some middle class taxpayers might pay a bit more while others who take fewer deductions would pay a bit less, and I understand why one would want to know before voting which side of the line you'd fall on personally. But he cannot eliminate the big stuff (child tax credits/mortgage interest/etc.) and stick to the not raising taxes on the middle class/not shifting the tax burden peg, so it would have to be smaller stuff and/or eliminate deductions more on higher income level people. His suggestion for a $$ limit on total deductions seems like an idea that might gather steam and would certainly affect higher income earners more than middle class folks.

Romney doesn't want to go out on a limb with naming things he'll cut only to see the list change once it makes its way through Congress. I'm not sure how helpful specificity would be when it comes to governing, although during the primaries I thought he would have been helped by a bolder/more specific plan. If you look at the healthcare debate for example, Obama ran against Hillary in the primary on the idea of a mandate, and bashed McCain in the general for wanting to tax health insurance plans, and here we are with a new federal health care law with a mandate and taxes on health insurance plans. Very few details were discussed on healthcare reform, and a few of the big ones that were attacked by Obama as bad ideas are now some of the more important parts of the law. Complex plans tend to look pretty difference once Congress gets done with them.

To answer the 'why' you would embark upon revenue neutral tax reform, as Werthless notes the complexity of the tax code is a drag on economic growth.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:18:29

Bucky wrote:it's pretty specific. I wanted a career as a philly firefighter. Was #137 raw score after taking the test (out of about 5,000 total participants) . That test created a hiring list which lasted for about 6 years, and they hired some 800 people from that list. I didn't even get a call to move the the next step of the process.


Bucky, I think it sucks that your career preference was blocked by anything.

How transparent was the process from the outset? Was the test understood to be THE selection criterion?

I'm not going anywhere with these questions. I'm just curious about the situation.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:31:15

yes, the test is the initial criteria. Then there's psychological and physical aspects before you move on. The civil service system is pretty well documented as: 10 points for minorities; 10 points for veterans. Then there are the ever-changing mandates on hiring percentages from certain groups. And points can be added after testing time- so although I was 137 after the initial test, people could have still applied for veteran's or minority points and ended up ahead of me.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:32:07

-100 for punning

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:32:53

I wonder how well I would do on one of those tests. A firefighter, huh?

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:35:09

-100 for preening

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:35:34

Houshphandzadeh wrote:-100 for punning


dang now it all makes sense :(

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby bleh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:37:49

Doll Is Mine wrote:I wonder how well I would do on one of those tests. A firefighter, huh?

Firefighting is easy, just dial 911.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:43:33

so glad the degree I'm earning is werthless
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Oct 10, 2012 16:44:09

you switched your major to firefighting?

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Barry Jive » Wed Oct 10, 2012 17:16:15

bleh wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:I wonder how well I would do on one of those tests. A firefighter, huh?

Firefighting is easy, just dial 911.


you rang?
no offense but you are everything that's wrong with America

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 17:29:54

Barry Jive wrote:
bleh wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:I wonder how well I would do on one of those tests. A firefighter, huh?

Firefighting is easy, just dial 911.


you rang?


there are 311 services now, so you have career options
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 17:53:05

Mark R. Levin ‏@marklevinshow
If Obama had defended our consulate as strenuously as he defends Sesame Street, four Americans might be alive today.

this is legitimately gross
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 17:55:56

The Nightman Cometh wrote:so glad the degree I'm earning is werthless

What's the problem? :)

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 19:53:49

CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins

David Siegel, the owner of Westgate Resorts, sent a surprising email to his employees Monday.

It said that if President Barack Obama wins re-election and raises Siegel's taxes, he will have to lay off workers and downsize his company - or even shut it down.

"If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company," he wrote. "Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone."
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 20:42:13

The purpose of the pre-election hearing, presumably, is to embarrass the administration for inadequate diplomatic security. But Issa seems unaware of the irony that diplomatic security is inadequate partly because of budget cuts forced by his fellow Republicans in Congress.

For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 20:44:58

Wisconsin state Rep. Roger Rivard (R) "is drawing heat for saying that his father had told him when he was young that 'some girls rape easy' as a way to warn him that a woman could agree to sex but then later claim that it wasn't consensual," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

Said Rivard: "He also told me one thing, 'If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry.' Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she's not going to say, 'Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.' All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she's underage. And he just said, 'Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,' he said, 'they rape so easy.'"


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/ ... pw.twitter

i'll just go to bed now
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