All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:12:28

well when you simultaneously pledge to spend lots more on the military, that response seems fair

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:12:36

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:i mean my point was just that it's bs to call "mitt promised he wouldn't!!" a 'fact-check.' the last line from the part i quoted is also a complete mischaracterization by romney (pres has NOT been saying romney will lower taxes by 5 million, just that romney has provided no details on how he'll acheive revenue neutrality while adding 5T to the deficit)

also the "kill big bird" item to get from 473.5B to 474B is just huge, thank you werthless.

I agree on the factcheck item, but there are many that dont understand what Romney is proposing. The nuance from Obama's response is being lost by Obama supporters.

The overreaction wrt Big Bird is exactly why Romney is sharing principles, not proposals. People agree on principle that we need a simplified tax code with fewer carveouts. Idiots on both sides of the aisle get hysterical if you actually mention a few that you'd leave out.

"Oh, you dont care about homeowners/kids/charities/religion/PBS! You monster!"


the objection to mitt's scanting of detail has more to do with everyone understanding that he is completely lying his ass off
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:13:56

which is more anachronistic: liberal arts education as a career move or affirmative action as part of any mechanism for choosing who gets to participate in it?
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:16:02

drsmooth wrote:which is more anachronistic: liberal arts education as a career move or affirmative action as part of any mechanism for choosing who gets to participate in it?

Liberal arts education has probably hurt America more (vis a vis other countries), but affirmative action has probably hurt individuals more.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:16:57

Houshphandzadeh wrote:well when you simultaneously pledge to spend lots more on the military, that response seems fair

I'm kinda hoping he breaks that promise. :)

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:22:15

A three-judge panel barred South Carolina's voter ID law from going into effect before the 2012 election on Wednesday, but said it could be implemented in elections beginning in 2013.


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:35:19

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Houshphandzadeh wrote:Hasn't Mitt said that his revenue neutrality is all assuming that trickle down economics rock and that the economy will start pumping the moment he's elected?


That is also my understanding.

Has nothing to do with trickle down.
I dont know if he's going to cut less than $500B/year and reply on growth to make up the difference.
Tax compliance is a long-term drag on economic growth.

What matters is this. Romney's not going to change that.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:36:17

So all these huge companies hoarding cash, something tells me they'll unleash it when Romney is sworn in, assuming he wins. They're making huge profits as it is, so no need help Obama out, I guess.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:46:16

He's not going to get 'revenue neutral'. Basing anything off this seems silly.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:03:55

td11 wrote:link

Romney said he looks for guidance to President Ronald Reagan

He's gonna increase the debt 188.6% :q:
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:14:35

Monkeyboy wrote:So all these huge companies hoarding cash, something tells me they'll unleash it when Romney is sworn in, assuming he wins.

No they won't.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:14:40

pacino wrote:What exactly is the point of revenue neutral


long story short: obfuscation.

As others have pointed out, there's no real evidence of the deductions he'd cut in order to achieve neutrality. It's a "work in progress". So everyone gets 20% off across the board, but the only deductions maintained would be the ones near and dear to his and his pal's hearts. So, mister middle income homeowner, I'm sorry you're now paying more, but we all knew there would be winners and losers here, right?? tough luck, pal. Thanks for the vote though!!

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:16:55

Jesus christ

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:18:53

no, Joe Isuzu

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:23:57

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus christ


no he's not
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Grotewold » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:25:24

I think a return to the "deficits don't matter" stuff is way more likely than an elimination of the mortgage interest deduction

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:29:54




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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:32:55

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus christ


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:34:18

Werthless wrote:
drsmooth wrote:which is more anachronistic: liberal arts education as a career move or affirmative action as part of any mechanism for choosing who gets to participate in it?

Liberal arts education has probably hurt America more (vis a vis other countries), but affirmative action has probably hurt individuals more.


I don't personally know anyone tangibly harmed by affirmative action. Do you?
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:47:58

drsmooth wrote:
Werthless wrote:
drsmooth wrote:which is more anachronistic: liberal arts education as a career move or affirmative action as part of any mechanism for choosing who gets to participate in it?

Liberal arts education has probably hurt America more (vis a vis other countries), but affirmative action has probably hurt individuals more.


I don't personally know anyone tangibly harmed by affirmative action. Do you?


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