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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:07:49

PBS showing their two hour special on Romney and Obama and how they came up through the political ranks.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:15:46

cshort wrote:Jim Henson and his family made millions off of characters he created and developed through Sesame Street. While the entities are non-profit, hard to argue that the creator didn't profit. Would seem to me PBS dropped the ball by not getting something from Henson (unless they were prohibited by law). Non-profits in other areas get royalties/fees from products where they provide the resources for people to invent or create, seems to me PBS could have done the same thing, seeing as they were the money making vehicle for Henson.


Many Muppets were created by Henson years in advance of the creation of Sesame Street and in the years following his departure. Children's Television Workshop (as Sesame Workshop was then known) asked Henson to join Sesame Street. Henson and CTW did, in fact, make a deal for the characters he developed for Sesame Street. The deal was that he would waive his performance fees on the show in exchange for owning the characters, AND that he would also split the revenues from the characters' exploitation. Sesame Workshop now owns the Sesame Street Muppet characters.

Rather than Henson exploiting Sesame Street (and, by extension PBS) to make his fortune, PBS called Henson "the spark that ignited our fledgling broadcast service." Sesame Workshop, in turn, receives only a fraction of its production costs from PBS. A portion of its costs are also coverd by its licensing of the characters created by Henson.

Overall then, it was a pretty good deal for all parties concerned. Jim Henson made a handsome return for his hard work, Sesame Workshop survives in significant part by virtue of his work and PBS (and, by extension all Americans) got a very good return on its investment: a public broadcasting service due in no small part to his efforts. It's worth noting that the arrangement is quite analogous to how commercial TV works, with the creator (e.g., the production company) profiting handsomely from a hit show, the studio (similar to Sesame Workshop) which initially financed the show also profiting and finally, the network which airs the show (like PBS) attracting viewers, which allows them to sell advertising and to profit thereby. It's also worth noting that, similar to PBS, typically commercial broadcast networks have not shared in the ownership of entertainment shows (e.g., The Big Bang Theory), although networks generally produce and own their own news, documentary and certain others shows.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:19:51

CalvinBall wrote:PBS showing their two hour special on Romney and Obama and how they came up through the political ranks.


i bet they make romney look like an misanthrope

not by spite, mind you

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:25:14

Talking about Barry's pot head days in the Choom Gang.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:25:57

Obama thanked Ray his drug dealer in his yearbook quote. No mention of his mother.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:26:39

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... l-us-liars

Paul Ryan said that Democrats's strategy through the election is "to call us liars for a month" in an interview with Michigan radio host Frank Beckmann Monday. The day after Wednesday's presidential debate, the Obama campaign released an ad saying Romney had not told the truth during the debate.

“It seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars, to descend down into a mud pit and hopefully with enough mudslinging back and forth and distortion, people will get demoralized and then they can win by default; sort of a choice of the lesser of two evils,” Ryan said.


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:32:35

Come to think of it, I WOULD prefer a mudslinger to a liar as President.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:34:57

As if the central theme to their campaign isn't Obama broke his promises and lied to us all.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 21:44:28

i like that he plainly admits to being the greater of two evils

lol.omg. :spam: :spam: :spam2:

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:05:01

Mormons want to build gods kingdom on earth. Some scholar on this show said maybe mitt sees himself being president as being part of that. Eek.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:20:51

romney issued over 800 vetoes as governor. i thought he and the legislature got along?

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby phatj » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:32:15

Nah, he just sent them out every year as Christmas cards
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:41:07

Really though this thing is fascinating.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Oct 10, 2012 00:03:24

CalvinBall wrote:romney issued over 800 vetoes as governor. i thought he and the legislature got along?


Apparently enjoyed it, too, from what I've read. Former aide said he used to chuckle while signing the vetoes.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 01:02:46

The Democratic Party in Florida has turned in more than 290,000 voter registration applications this year, compared to less than 47,000 for the state’s Republican Party.


http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/f ... istrations
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 01:43:31

td11 wrote:http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ryan-dems-strategy-is-to-call-us-liars

Paul Ryan said that Democrats's strategy through the election is "to call us liars for a month" in an interview with Michigan radio host Frank Beckmann Monday. The day after Wednesday's presidential debate, the Obama campaign released an ad saying Romney had not told the truth during the debate.

“It seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars, to descend down into a mud pit and hopefully with enough mudslinging back and forth and distortion, people will get demoralized and then they can win by default; sort of a choice of the lesser of two evils,” Ryan said.


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Inoculating themselves against the inevitable call of "liar" when they are lying. Ultimate rope a dope. Take all the punches from the dems for months, refuse to reveal anything about their positions, and then come off the rope with a bunch of BS lies close enough to the election that our broken media won't have time to sort it out. Low interest voters will tune in long enough to hear what Romney is saying, but not long enough to figure out he's lying his butt off and changing his position every two seconds.

This is what I was saying about a push. The enormous ad buys will be coming shortly as every billionaire with a passing interest will join the fray.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Oct 10, 2012 02:24:15

cshort wrote:Jim Henson and his family made millions off of characters he created and developed through Sesame Street. While the entities are non-profit, hard to argue that the creator didn't profit. Would seem to me PBS dropped the ball by not getting something from Henson (unless they were prohibited by law). Non-profits in other areas get royalties/fees from products where they provide the resources for people to invent or create, seems to me PBS could have done the same thing, seeing as they were the money making vehicle for Henson.

There are legal restrictions on non-profit revenues, and both parties are subject to penalties.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Oct 10, 2012 02:25:17

td11 wrote:http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ryan-dems-strategy-is-to-call-us-liars

Paul Ryan said that Democrats's strategy through the election is "to call us liars for a month" in an interview with Michigan radio host Frank Beckmann Monday. The day after Wednesday's presidential debate, the Obama campaign released an ad saying Romney had not told the truth during the debate.

“It seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars, to descend down into a mud pit and hopefully with enough mudslinging back and forth and distortion, people will get demoralized and then they can win by default; sort of a choice of the lesser of two evils,” Ryan said.


lolol

Well, if you stop lying, they can't call you liars.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 04:02:02

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