All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Oct 09, 2012 05:42:40

Can't control your children?

Kill them.

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Charlie Fuqua, the Republican candidate for the Arkansas House of Representatives who called for expelling Muslims from the United States in his book, also wrote in support for instituting the death penalty for "rebellious children."

In "God's Law," Fuqua's 2012 book, the candidate wrote that while parents love their children, a process could be set up to allow for the death penalty to be instituted for "rebellious children,

Fuqua, who is anti-abortion, points out that the course of action involved in sentencing a child to death is described in the Bible and would involve judicial approval. While it is unlikely that many parents would seek to have their children killed by the government, Fuqua wrote, such power would serve as a way to stop rebellious children.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Oct 09, 2012 05:58:12

dajafi wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Just out of curiosity, JH, how can you support someone who so clearly lied his ass off this last debate? How do you know what his policies really are and whether or not you support them? And certainly, how can you trust him? The fact that he lied his ass off while changing many/most of his major positions would make me really not want to vote for the guy. I know I wouldn't vote for a dem that was so transparently full of crap. I'd stay home.


jh is more than capable of speaking for himself, but since I think this gets to a larger interesting question about why we discuss politics here, why we sometimes hate it, and why we often can't help it, I'm going to share two thoughts.

1) This is a pointless question that's only going to upset you. Plus you know the answer. (Hint: why are you a Phillies fan?)

2) In that last-week Romney sounded clearly saner than the Tea Party hostage in evidence for the last two years, and jh is in the more realistic half--hell, probably tenth, maybe hundredth--of the Republican Party, he'd presumably be thrilled if Romney really did govern as that guy. Plus, to anticipate jh, it's not like Romney went in as Bachmann and came out as Kucinich. More like he went in as Dubya and then showed up as a less tongue-tied 41.

To be clear, I myself don't think he would govern as a pragmatist, because to the modern deranged right pragmatism is apostasy. I've read a lot about Romney the last month or so in particular (and I guess the last six years or so in general--I would particularly recommend Nick Lemann's long New Yorker profile and the Benjamin Wallace-Wells piece in New York magazine about Romney's experiences as Mormon stake president in Boston), and the thru-line is the guy's utter willingness to say and do what he must to win. As we saw last week, he's really good at this... which I have to admit isn't a bad trait in a leader.

I think if he has a default setting with respect to policy, it's probably more like the guy from the debate and his MA governorship. But he won't fight within his own crazy-ass party to be that guy. And they're so desperate for victory that they won't kick at his pretending to be that guy in order to win.



well that didn't upset me, so that's good.

I'm not sure it's like being a phillies fan exactly, but I get what you're saying. To be clear, I wouldn't vote for a dem like that and I have shown the willingness to not vote for either candidate in the past when I didn't like either candidate. I just voted in the other races. I guess it's hard for me to understand why others don't do that. I get the tribal aspect to it, but tribalism over common sense seems dumb to me. I'd be a Phillies fan regardless of how I felt about the individual players, though some teams and players I like more than others.

But with all due respect, I don't see how anyone can say how Romney will vote on anything. I could just as easily say that he's had his eye on the presidency for a VERY long time (I think we would all agree to that) and his time in MA was largely to get some moderate bonifides for electoral purposes. He made himself seem like a centrist to get elected there and to help himself down the road. I really think that's the case and that he'll govern like a true believer who honestly (or not so honestly, doesn't really matter) believes in trickle down, another round of which may just send the economy past the point of recovery, if we're not already past that point given the lack of institutional controls remaining. I just don't think he is who he is now pretending to be. Heck, I have no idea who he is. But the clues from his personal life and things he's said when he didn't think anyone was listening suggest a pretty grim picture of his personality. It doesn't sound like he has any respect for working people. In fact, it doesn't even sound like he has any clue what working people are like or what they have to overcome.

Just my two cents.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 09, 2012 07:24:02

jerseyhoya wrote:Really? Shrill?


you prefer giddy?
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:04:11



ahehehe

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:18:41

Don't fret about big bird, he is 8'2" so he should be able to find work in the NBA.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:27:30


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:43:46

oh come on. the ad is pretty funny.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:57:44

and i dont think it is a small issue that romneys big idea to balance to budget is to cut something that makes up fractions of a percentage point of the overall budget.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:03:24

CalvinBall wrote:oh come on. the ad is pretty funny.
Yeah, that's all I really took away from it. Seemed like a parody ad that happened to be made by OFA.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:46:48

Sesame Workshop is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down.



fuck it, cut their funding
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby cshort » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:10:14

td11 wrote:
Sesame Workshop is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down.



fuck it, cut their funding


According to the New York Times, in 2004 Disney signed a $75 million deal with Jim Henson Co. that gave Disney a three-year period to develop movies and television shows with four years of consulting assistance from Jim Henson Co. on strategic advice for reproduction. This was not the beginning of Disney and the Muppets' relationship, though. In 1990, when Henson died from a bacteria infection and his five children took over the company, they had to first get through a court battle with Disney concerning the terms of a Muppet attraction completed for Walt Disney.

Once they set out to develop the future Muppet adventures, they ran into problems, beginning with the release of "Muppets from Space" in 1999 being a complete flop in the box office. The next year, they sold the family business to the German media company EM.TV & Merchandising for about $680 million, but according to the New York Times, "as the German conglomerate slumped under crushing debt, insider-trading and fraud investigation, the Muppets stagnated further." Jim Henson Co. then bought back the characters for $78 million, only sell them once again in this new deal with Disney.

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:13:44

does pbs get all that money? (honest q)
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Barry Jive » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:17:26

i don't see anything about Sesame Workshop in there
no offense but you are everything that's wrong with America

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:17:46

cshort wrote:non-profit


sesame workshop <> jim henson co <> PBS

businesspeople understand the distinction
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 09, 2012 13:22:46

jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:also, gallup 7-day tracking already has it back to 50-45 obama

They still haven't switched to a likely voter screen

Let's hear it for likely voter screens

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 09, 2012 13:46:57

Harry Enten ‏@ForecasterEnten
For all the 2012/2004 comparisons, John Kerry never led in October...

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Oct 09, 2012 13:55:39

td11 wrote:does pbs get all that money? (honest q)


Sure, and Fox gets all the money from Seth Mcfarlane's Ted because they show Family guy.

I have no idea what cshort is talking about.
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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 14:03:21

jerseyhoya wrote:
Harry Enten ‏@ForecasterEnten
For all the 2012/2004 comparisons, John Kerry never led in October...


jerseyhoya wrote:Bush had a 53% approval rating among voters on Election Day 2004


Gallup wrote:Obama Approval

53%

Obama Disapproval

42%


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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 09, 2012 14:04:27

Among voters is a key bit you're missing still

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Re: All things good in MODERATION: Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 14:07:41

jerseyhoya wrote:Among voters is a key bit you're missing still


We all gonna vote.
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