The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 15:48:04

Wheels Tupay wrote:
gr wrote:GM search isn't really that sexy to follow on a daily basis
Probably won't be a factor in free agency
Few trade assets left to unload (Howard/Ruiz)
No polarizing personalities anywhere to be found

Yeah, I'd say its going be pretty quiet


Giles is a trade asset.


i'd have no problem dealing him but i don't think you'd ever get more value than he is worth to the team going forward.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby lethal » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:21:56

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:
gr wrote:GM search isn't really that sexy to follow on a daily basis
Probably won't be a factor in free agency
Few trade assets left to unload (Howard/Ruiz)
No polarizing personalities anywhere to be found

Yeah, I'd say its going be pretty quiet


Giles is a trade asset.


i'd have no problem dealing him but i don't think you'd ever get more value than he is worth to the team going forward.


Is he really worth much to a losing team the next 2 seasons? By the time the team can use a top notch closer, he'll be entering his arbitration years, only the first 2 of which represent real value. If you could package him with Ruiz (or even Howard) and get a package back like the Braves did for Kimbrel, that's a win.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:24:40

Anthony Castrovince ‏@castrovince 20m20 minutes ago
#STLCards director of player personnel Matt Slater interviewed for #Phillies GM job. Joins Ng, Atkins and Beinfest as known candidates.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:26:36

lethal wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:
gr wrote:GM search isn't really that sexy to follow on a daily basis
Probably won't be a factor in free agency
Few trade assets left to unload (Howard/Ruiz)
No polarizing personalities anywhere to be found

Yeah, I'd say its going be pretty quiet


Giles is a trade asset.


i'd have no problem dealing him but i don't think you'd ever get more value than he is worth to the team going forward.


Is he really worth much to a losing team the next 2 seasons? By the time the team can use a top notch closer, he'll be entering his arbitration years, only the first 2 of which represent real value. If you could package him with Ruiz (or even Howard) and get a package back like the Braves did for Kimbrel, that's a win.


i have no desire to get rid of ruiz or howard. there really isn't a point to it at this stage. if someone came in and offered some premium prospects, great. i don't think that is going to happen.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Shore » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:30:36

ReadingPhilly wrote:i have no desire to get rid of ruiz or howard. there really isn't a point to it at this stage. if someone came in and offered some premium prospects, great. i don't think that is going to happen.


Wait, what? Unless you get premium prospects, you're not interested in moving Howard or Ruiz?

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:33:21

Shore wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:i have no desire to get rid of ruiz or howard. there really isn't a point to it at this stage. if someone came in and offered some premium prospects, great. i don't think that is going to happen.


Wait, what? Unless you get premium prospects, you're not interested in moving Howard or Ruiz?


they're both gone after this season anyway. why would i want to attach giles to one of them for someone to take them?

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby lethal » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:35:17

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Shore wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:i have no desire to get rid of ruiz or howard. there really isn't a point to it at this stage. if someone came in and offered some premium prospects, great. i don't think that is going to happen.


Wait, what? Unless you get premium prospects, you're not interested in moving Howard or Ruiz?


they're both gone after this season anyway. why would i want to attach giles to one of them for someone to take them?


$9 mil for Ruiz or up to $35 mil for Howard can let you go over the foreign signing cap with relative ease.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Roger Dorn » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:37:15

@jakemkaplan: According to @castrovince, Cardinals director of player personnel Matt Slater interviewed for the Phillies’ GM job last week.
Do you think April is too early for a Roger Dorn night?

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:37:40

i don't think money is any issue for the team.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Shore » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:42:37

ReadingPhilly wrote:i don't think money is any issue for the team.


Playing time and development are. If, combined, they keep 400 ABs away from ANYONE else who might help in the future, it's a total waste.

If money's no issue for this team, release them both.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:45:24

Just hire Ross Atkins.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 17:46:10

Shore wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:i don't think money is any issue for the team.


Playing time and development are. If, combined, they keep 400 ABs away from ANYONE else who might help in the future, it's a total waste.

If money's no issue for this team, release them both.


that's a much better option than trading giles.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Oct 15, 2015 19:31:12

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Shore wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:i have no desire to get rid of ruiz or howard. there really isn't a point to it at this stage. if someone came in and offered some premium prospects, great. i don't think that is going to happen.


Wait, what? Unless you get premium prospects, you're not interested in moving Howard or Ruiz?


they're both gone after this season anyway. why would i want to attach giles to one of them for someone to take them?


i wasn't suggesting attach giles to get rid of ruiz or howard. i just meant that giles, on his own, is a trade asset if they want to go that route.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby The Dude » Thu Oct 15, 2015 19:39:52

The best you can hope for is a player that is as good as Giles, which is still a lot o potential right now, or a minor leaguer you hope turns out as good as Giles
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Philly the Kid » Fri Oct 16, 2015 04:49:49

Roger Dorn wrote:@jakemkaplan: According to @castrovince, Cardinals director of player personnel Matt Slater interviewed for the Phillies’ GM job last week.


Is that a typical leap? Dir of Player Person - to GM ?

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Squire » Fri Oct 16, 2015 08:13:18

Perhaps I'm getting carried away but I am really excited about the future of the Phils. Step up ML performances from 5 rookies (Franco, Herrera, Nola, Eickhoff and Altherr). A farm system that looks likes it Top 5 right now and climbing after next draft. I'm oddly looking forward to the Rule 5 draft and stealing someone there again too. Most importantly Amaro and Monty gone. And Middleton, MacPhail and a new age GM in.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby joe table » Fri Oct 16, 2015 08:48:42

Agree w RP. Flatly against the idea of trying to add giles to a negative value asset in a trade. New GM can just cut Howard. We need talent back, not a spot for ruf/rupp

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 16, 2015 09:02:22

i dont see anyone they are taking at bats away from, honestly.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby phorever » Fri Oct 16, 2015 09:29:37

trade chips equals guys proven to be above replacement in the majors, pre-arb, but not essentially keepers for the phils because of what they have in the pipeline and because they may no longer be cheap and effective when the phils are ready to compete in 17/18/19.
giles is borderline keeper, but reliever shelf-life is short once the velocity starts to go and we do have some equally exciting and younger relief arms in the system.
rupp is a nice backup catcher, but lino and others should fill that role behind knapp/alfaro.
hernandez and galvis are fine backup infielders now, but mora and valentin and canelo should be better soon, and backups might not be very important if crawford and herrera and franco claim ss, 2b, 3b long-term.
altherr is one of my favorites, but if williams and quinn and cozens all catch up to him he becomes the most disposable by virtue of being the oldest.

right now i would rank them, as trade chips: giles, altherr, rupp, hernandez, galvis. if ruiz or howard or brown or frenchy has a nice hot april/may, they could be paired with one of the other chips to get back an upgrade over morgan/eflin/lively for the back half of the 2017 rotation, or a better youth/depth combo for the bullpen, or maybe a platoon guy for 1b/lf/rf.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughtsru

Postby Bill McNeal » Fri Oct 16, 2015 09:30:49

Rupp was pretty much the starter down the stretch anyway, chooch was catching someone's starts pretty much exclusively and day games the last couple months of the season. As for Howard... Whatever, even though we don't have a replacement waiting in the wings, literally anyone would be a better option, but there's no reason to trade Giles with Howard just to get him off the books.

Only way I'd trade Giles would be for multiple high ranked prospect batttttz and that's not happening so just keep him.
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