bleh wrote:Is there some kind of deadline? Why do these thing before a new GM comes in?

In some trades, one of the components is a "player to be named later" which usually turns out to be a minor league player. The unnamed player is included as part of a trade when the teams cannot immediately agree on a specific player or when the player is not yet eligible to be traded. In these cases, the player in question must be named within six months. Cash or some other consideration may be exchanged in lieu of the player to be named later. For example, during the 1994 Major League Baseball strike, the Minnesota Twins traded Dave Winfield to the Cleveland Indians at the trade deadline. Among the conditions of the trade were that if the Indians played no more games in 1994, "Indians general manager John Hart must write a check for $100 made out to the Minnesota Twins and take Twins general manager Andy MacPhail out to dinner."[5]

azrider wrote:I'm kind of sensing the beginning of a dysfunctional front office with overlapping responsibilities.

Decisions regarding coaches and the 40 man I assume are coming from president MacPhail, instead of waiting for the hiring of a gm. Now, who is responsible for hiring that gm? I thought it would be MacPhail, but now does Middleton want his guy? Who will he answer to? It seems like Middleton wants to be owner/president and MacPhail wants to be president/gm. Depending on the gm, I could easily see some power struggle in the not so distant future.

phorever wrote:cutting dom and dugan means that just asche and maybe danks are the lefty platoon partners for frenchy and altherr until quinn and williams arrive. i guess age and arbitration makes the guys we kept more likely to have some value in 2016 than the guys we didn't.

Bill McNeal wrote:

azrider wrote:I'm kind of sensing the beginning of a dysfunctional front office with overlapping responsibilities.

Decisions regarding coaches and the 40 man I assume are coming from president MacPhail, instead of waiting for the hiring of a gm. Now, who is responsible for hiring that gm? I thought it would be MacPhail, but now does Middleton want his guy? Who will he answer to? It seems like Middleton wants to be owner/president and MacPhail wants to be president/gm. Depending on the gm, I could easily see some power struggle in the not so distant future.

Eh I'm not feeling any discord or dysfunction. If the scouty/minor league evaluator folks in the organization have determined that Dugan etc. aren't in the future plans, they aren't in the future plans. A new GM isn't likely going to have some significant insight into their trajectory day one anyway. Jordan and Proefrock are the best ones suited to that decision regardless.

cartersDad26 wrote:Joseph outrighted - wow great trade.

azrider wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:

azrider wrote:I'm kind of sensing the beginning of a dysfunctional front office with overlapping responsibilities.

Decisions regarding coaches and the 40 man I assume are coming from president MacPhail, instead of waiting for the hiring of a gm. Now, who is responsible for hiring that gm? I thought it would be MacPhail, but now does Middleton want his guy? Who will he answer to? It seems like Middleton wants to be owner/president and MacPhail wants to be president/gm. Depending on the gm, I could easily see some power struggle in the not so distant future.

Eh I'm not feeling any discord or dysfunction. If the scouty/minor league evaluator folks in the organization have determined that Dugan etc. aren't in the future plans, they aren't in the future plans. A new GM isn't likely going to have some significant insight into their trajectory day one anyway. Jordan and Proefrock are the best ones suited to that decision regardless.

And yes a new gm would likely defer to Proefrock and Jordan regarding the evaluation of players. The question arises for a new gm seeing that decisions normally left to the gm are instead being made by the president, is what his real power and responsibilities will be.

I would liken the Phillies gm position to that of a Cadillac Escalade that your dad bought you... However he enabled controls that don't let you go more than 45 mph, drive more than 50 miles a day and only able to listen to am radio. Suddenly, a top of the line Kia Rio without those limitations looks pretty damn sweet.

cartersDad26 wrote:Joseph outrighted - wow great trade.

cartersDad26 wrote:Joseph outrighted - wow great trade.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Pretty sure the Rule 5 deadline is in November. Not sure on arbitration timelines though but it still seems early.

Bill McNeal wrote:

azrider wrote:I'm kind of sensing the beginning of a dysfunctional front office with overlapping responsibilities.

Decisions regarding coaches and the 40 man I assume are coming from president MacPhail, instead of waiting for the hiring of a gm. Now, who is responsible for hiring that gm? I thought it would be MacPhail, but now does Middleton want his guy? Who will he answer to? It seems like Middleton wants to be owner/president and MacPhail wants to be president/gm. Depending on the gm, I could easily see some power struggle in the not so distant future.

Eh I'm not feeling any discord or dysfunction. If the scouty/minor league evaluator folks in the organization have determined that Dugan etc. aren't in the future plans, they aren't in the future plans. A new GM isn't likely going to have some significant insight into their trajectory day one anyway. Jordan and Proefrock are the best ones suited to that decision regardless.