The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby phorever » Wed Sep 16, 2015 03:33:22

for the record, 100 prcnt agree with shore on this one... frenchy on bench vaugely plausible but starting so often ahead of ruf and delaying altherr's callup and preventing a chance to assess bogus and danks more completely are all bad for the long term.... and if frenchy gets grumpy on the bench despite belonging there... maybe he's not such a team guy after all.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Wed Sep 16, 2015 05:13:50

I'm not saying re-sign him next year; but my opinion on Frenchy on being a punchable douchebag has done a complete 180. Would love to have him long term as our ball boy off the bench (you need those)
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby bleh » Wed Sep 16, 2015 05:59:34

Last year we gave up Ender Inciarte so we could keep Grady Sizemore and Tony Gwynn Jr. Inciarte has 5.3 fwar since then. We got Odubel because we had the roster space this year and Texas didn't There were a few other decent Rule V guys this year too. Take an extra one next year or protect another of our minors guys who would be Rule V eligible.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 16, 2015 08:36:28

After several MRIs revealed no structural damage, the 26-year-old was left behind in Clearwater to figure out what sapped the energy out of his right arm.

His velocity, once sitting in the mid-90s, was barely getting to 86 mph. His command was not sharp, either.

By late June, Martin was off the Phillies' 40-man roster and his baseball career, at least in the Philadelphia organization, appeared as dead as his arm.

"I'm just sitting there thinking, 'Am I done? Is my arm gone? Is it ever going to wake up again?'" Martin said. "'Is my career done?'

"At the same time, I'm trying to figure it out [on the mound]. It's been a year-and-a-half."

A game of catch hours before the July 27 home game with Erie changed everything. His velocity was up. His command was good and his altered mechanics were effective.


Martin's success since late July was evident in a five-game stint late in the regular season when he didn't allow a run in 19 2/3 innings. He struck out 16, walked five and opponents hit just .111 against him in that stretch.

He is 3-1 with a 3.14 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP in 21 games this year with the Fightins, five starts.

With his lost velocity, Martin had to learn how to go from a thrower to a pitcher.

"Sometimes when something like this happens to you, when you lose your velocity, you realize what you have to do to pitch," Reading manager Dusty Wathan said.

"He's had to learn how to pitch just to survive. He's headed in the right direction."

Martin felt good during his first throwing session this year in spring training, but then as he woke every day in Clearwater, his arm stayed asleep.

It looked like it when he toed the rubber at the Carpenter Complex.

"My arm felt like a wet noodle," he admitted.

Martin found only minor differences in his mechanics when he studied video. But once he stopped worrying about the radar gun, he focused on what is most important: how to get hitters out.

The 6-foot-2, 225-pounder, who made 17 appearances in 2013-14 with the Phillies, dropped his arm slot to less than three-quarters. He focused on moving all of his pitches — fastball, slider, curve, change-up — around the plate.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 16, 2015 08:40:45

our minor league coaches apparently are very good

What the 6-foot-4, 235-pounder wasn't accustomed to was pitching as poorly as he was before being shipped to the Phillies organization.

Thompson had a 9.19 ERA and .313 batting average against in his last four starts before Texas sent him packing along with fellow minor leaguers Nick Williams, Alec Asher, Jorge Alfaro and Jerad Eickhoff to Philadelphia along with oft-injured Rangers starting pitcher Matt Harrison.

Pitching with a clean slate, Thompson returned to his previous pitching pattern — throwing off his two-seam fastball.

In the time this year leading up to the trade, Thompson was throwing his four-seamer and curveball more often. That didn't work well for him.

The two-seamer was just what he needed.

"That's what got me rolling last year," he recalled. "I was getting a lot of weak outs, pitching off the barrel of the bat.

"And I'm really pounding the strike zone."

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 16, 2015 09:11:30

i just finished a book ("big data baseball") that talked a lot about an pitching coach/org's philosophies on influencing/dictating a pitcher's repertoire. I never imagined it was that unique. If I were a GM I'd want to adopt a philosophy that finds a pitchers strengths, whatever they may be, and develop them, not just stick to a (for simple example) "our pitchers throw four-seamers" philosophy, which (anecdotally, and admittedly from that single reference) seems to be the norm in the Bigs. So a pitcher can keep jumping around different orgs until he finds the one that just happens to tout the stuff that he would be good at.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Sep 16, 2015 09:13:01

How did you like that? Was going to get that before I settled on "the best team money can buy" because I figured it'd be an easier read.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Wed Sep 16, 2015 09:22:37

While we're at it I'd like to see Rich Dubee in the mix as pitching coach and independent candidate for the presidency

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby smitty » Wed Sep 16, 2015 09:58:18

phorever wrote:for the record, 100 prcnt agree with shore on this one... frenchy on bench vaugely plausible but starting so often ahead of ruf and delaying altherr's callup and preventing a chance to assess bogus and danks more completely are all bad for the long term.... and if frenchy gets grumpy on the bench despite belonging there... maybe he's not such a team guy after all.


Altherrrr got off to a slow start in his minor league career. This season he rocked AA, moved up to AAA and rocked there too. He was brought up to the big club at about the right time. Having success in AA and AAA after struggling in the minors for years is a good thing.

Danks has a .686 OPS in AAA. He's 28. Rupp is a lousy outfielder who isn't hitting much this season. He's 28. Eastern European guy is 31 and a lefty. Francoeur didn't hold any of those guys back. He also has an 1.100 OPS as a pinch hitter. And you need those.

But to get back to the original question. I agree with pretty much everyone that Frenchy should take a hike next year. Someone will pick him up.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:01:34

Altherr's callup was not delayed.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:32:25

bleh wrote:Last year we gave up Ender Inciarte so we could keep Grady Sizemore and Tony Gwynn Jr.


No, we didn't.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby cartersDad26 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:45:22

Howard likely done for the year. Went to ER for his knee.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:52:07

Now what are we going to do?
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:58:41

that's possibly his career

had that thought as he walked off...that may be the last time we see him in uniform...

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:59:23

cartersDad26 wrote:Howard likely done for the year. Went to ER for his knee.


Shame for him anyway, but more of a shame since Mackanin had finally come around to the idea of lifting Howard when he had to face a lefthander. Plus watching Ruf hit against righties is no fun at all, either.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:12:30

Maybe we see Knapp and/or Joseph up here this September
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:24:57

According to the Phillies media relations department, Howard was not scheduled to have an MRI or X-ray on his knee.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 16, 2015 15:30:41

ReadingPhilly wrote:How did you like that? Was going to get that before I settled on "the best team money can buy" because I figured it'd be an easier read.



was OK, not great, some insights, but a bit of a clint hurdle love-fest. i just ordered that one based on your mention; i hope it's good!!

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Sep 16, 2015 15:46:43

Bucky wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:How did you like that? Was going to get that before I settled on "the best team money can buy" because I figured it'd be an easier read.



was OK, not great, some insights, but a bit of a clint hurdle love-fest. i just ordered that one based on your mention; i hope it's good!!


at the very least you'll learn what hanley ramirez's parents actually named him before leaving it hanley after it was badly misspelled by the person who issued the birth certificate. i actually have a little bit to go since the chatty kathy on my flight home talked for the full 3 hours.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby bleh » Wed Sep 16, 2015 17:19:29

swishnicholson wrote:
bleh wrote:Last year we gave up Ender Inciarte so we could keep Grady Sizemore and Tony Gwynn Jr.


No, we didn't.

*2 years ago *Laynce Nix

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