pacino wrote:

Shore wrote:

rolex wrote:Francoeur will be thirty-two next season. To have a vet like him around next year has merit. He's been a solid reserve with a good attitude and could continue in that role for a year or two. He still has some on the field skills.

He's one of the worst-hitting outfielders in the major leagues, who had ~200 very good PA over a 3 month stretch this year. Good guy, terrible hitter. Banking on anything like those 200 PAs, instead of the 1,000 prior, seem nuts for a 32-year-old. Without that stretch, he's probably the worst hitter in the majors over the last 4 years.

you have a real nut on for hating on Francoeur. he's a backup who's done well for this team.

1) I'm pretty confident he sucks, despite the 200 very solid PA.
2) His track record is so bad that signing him is moronic.
3) He was atrocious in spring training - even that didn't dissuade us.
4) He started 64 games, which is a lot for a "backup", and way too many for a team trying to find solutions.
5) Doing well for this team isn't helping. If Atlanta gets the #1 pick by a game over us, that's going to suck.

Francoeur is like a front office acid-test. I'd like to see the new regime make the right decision. The old one failed.

I thought i saw that Crawford was being called up. did i dream this?

@philliesnation incorrectly posted that. JPC is in the Eastern League championship

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:

Shore wrote:

rolex wrote:Francoeur will be thirty-two next season. To have a vet like him around next year has merit. He's been a solid reserve with a good attitude and could continue in that role for a year or two. He still has some on the field skills.

He's one of the worst-hitting outfielders in the major leagues, who had ~200 very good PA over a 3 month stretch this year. Good guy, terrible hitter. Banking on anything like those 200 PAs, instead of the 1,000 prior, seem nuts for a 32-year-old. Without that stretch, he's probably the worst hitter in the majors over the last 4 years.

you have a real nut on for hating on Francoeur. he's a backup who's done well for this team.

1) I'm pretty confident he sucks, despite the 200 very solid PA.
2) His track record is so bad that signing him is moronic.
3) He was atrocious in spring training - even that didn't dissuade us.
4) He started 64 games, which is a lot for a "backup", and way too many for a team trying to find solutions.
5) Doing well for this team isn't helping. If Atlanta gets the #1 pick by a game over us, that's going to suck.

Francoeur is like a front office acid-test. I'd like to see the new regime make the right decision. The old one failed.

So he does well and you're pissed he doesn't do well and you're pissed. Seems like a no win for one random player.

pacino wrote:So he does well and you're pissed he doesn't do well and you're pissed. Seems like a no win for one random player.

He's not random. We signed him, on purpose.

He's the embodiment of a terrible decision, and I don't like terrible decisions on my favorite team.

Someone brought up the idea of bringing him back, which would compound said terrible decision. So I posted my dissenting viewpoint. Have a nice day.

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:So he does well and you're pissed he doesn't do well and you're pissed. Seems like a no win for one random player.

He's not random. We signed him, on purpose.

He's the embodiment of a terrible decision, and I don't like terrible decisions on my favorite team.

Someone brought up the idea of bringing him back, which would compound said terrible decision. So I posted my dissenting viewpoint. Have a nice day.

and I disagree with your dissenting view. Have a stellar day.

As a personality, Frenchy has been a revelation. As a player, he's been one very lucky sumbitch - good for him, good for the Phillies, by accident.

I wish him well - he may well have played/lucked himself into another ML season somewhere - but I do not want him to have any on-field performing role with the Phillies ever again, if possible

gotta have that veteran leadership tho. doubt that comes from Howard. And Chooch doesn't seem like he's a real vocal clubhouse guy. If he's our 5th OF for another year to mentor the young kids, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

Should make him a coach and a reliefer. He still has the good arm. I believe in good team players. The Phillies aren't ready to win the division yet. So playing Frenchy isn't gonna kill them. Bring him back next season. Chances are good he'll suck but he's good for baseball.

I don't believe in getting all worked up in rooting for the 1.1 pick. Washington got it two straight seasons and got the two best guys (by far) in years. And look how great they've been. Won zero playoff series and now they kinda blow again already.

Yeah, I know there are incentives to suck in MLB. But it's not worth it in my view. Phillies have been outstanding at drafting and signing good players. And they aren't developing that Washington National loser mentality. Win-win.

drsmooth wrote:As a personality, Frenchy has been a revelation. As a player, he's been one very lucky sumbitch - good for him, good for the Phillies, by accident.

I wish him well - he may well have played/lucked himself into another ML season somewhere - but I do not want him to have any on-field performing role with the Phillies ever again, if possible

Remember Branch Ricky said "Luck is the residue of design."

I don't know what the hell that means but it's a great motto.

drsmooth wrote:As a personality, Frenchy has been a revelation. As a player, he's been one very lucky sumbitch - good for him, good for the Phillies, by accident.

I wish him well - he may well have played/lucked himself into another ML season somewhere - but I do not want him to have any on-field performing role with the Phillies ever again, if possible

Yeah, I've enjoyed watching Frenchy and Andres Blanco do well at the plate this year, despite the fact that there was no reason to believe they would. And they both seem like good guys. That's a major part of my enjoyment of the sport-when people step up and surprise you, and when you have no trouble getting behind them.

I hope we get two completely different guys next year doing the same, since I think we've seen the best of both of them.

Great point swish. This is like the Davey Johnson effect. Phils signed him out of Japan in 1977. He had a monster season. The next year he actually sucked. ( he did have a game winning grand slam though).

Blanco has a long record of not being much good. We all know about Frenchy. Neither should be any good next season. We need to find the next Frenchy and Blanco who are ready to have that one great season in a part time role. Maybe that big Eastern European would fit the bill.

pacino wrote:and I disagree with your dissenting view. Have a stellar day.

But you're wrong. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

Whatever all star replaced frenchy probably would've had them locked into the second pick at best already.

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:and I disagree with your dissenting view. Have a stellar day.

But you're wrong. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

it must be so great to be right all the time.

pacino wrote:

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:and I disagree with your dissenting view. Have a stellar day.

But you're wrong. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

it must be so great to be right all the time.

It's awesome.

I dont like this anymore.

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:and I disagree with your dissenting view. Have a stellar day.

But you're wrong. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

Does it make sense to stock the team in 2016 with the best team possible? I'm not so sure. We won't contend until 2017 at earliest, and it's not clear that having French on the team in 2016 hurts our ability to win in 2017.

No one is arguing he is a good baseball player.

If I may so bold, I think Shore's point - is also - that he'd like to see new front-office decision makers being more adept at knowing how to assess players at whatever stage for whatever purpose. It's not personal. It's a sign of limited mental ability as a GM if you sign/re-sign a guy who had one anomalous year, unless there is a very very very clear indication that something drastic changed and it will be predicted again. Otherwise, it's "my eyes tell me" and "good ole boys" and "this wasn't a fluke".

I frankly, want to see younger players get the ABs, and the minutes on the diamond. If you need wisdom to be offered, get better coaches.

Or maybe sometimes they have a better feel for what someone provides outside of the stat line.