Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

by **bleh** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 22:09:12

I would take stairs and sarge alone in the booth over tmac and anybody.

by **WilliamC** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 22:24:37

I always liked Wheeler. I like Murphy. I like Stairs. I even liked Sarge.

McCarthy makes me sick.

by **Bill McNeal** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 23:13:02

Wheels is a fan, he's dopey and corny and gets a boner for dudes on other teams sometimes, but at the end of the day, he just loves the Phillies. I can deal with that. Tmac is the opposite of wheels.

That gif of wheels geeking out in 08 after the final out in the ws says everything you need to know about him.

by **Bill McNeal** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 23:14:36

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 23:55:51

Yeh, I love Wheels. He's one of us, warts and all.

by **wwry** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 00:18:03

you have to figure Tmac leaves to do national stuff all the time soon right...right??

by **CalvinBall** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 01:43:37

1 wrote:Sadly, Jamie Moyer will not be returning to the booth in 2015. Wants to spend more time with his massive family.

I just heard this a few days ago. It was barely official earlier this week. Fwiw there is more to it. Family isn't the only reason or even the biggest.

by **Monkeyboy** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:34:59

He probably doesn't want to watch the shit show on a daily basis

by **Woody** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:38:31

CalvinBall wrote:
1 wrote:Sadly, Jamie Moyer will not be returning to the booth in 2015. Wants to spend more time with his massive family.

I just heard this a few days ago. It was barely official earlier this week. Fwiw there is more to it. Family isn't the only reason or even the biggest.

I'm guessing it's because he's really terrible at it!

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:41:48

Doesn't stop any other Phillies announcers.

by **Bucky** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 13:01:18

i'm guessing he couldn't stand working with mccarthy. if calvin doesn't reply to this that means it's true.

by **CFP** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 13:14:28

I'd say the on-air chemistry made it pretty clear that it was true. Moyer was always disagreeing with him.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 13:39:04

Life's too short to spend your workdays with Tom McCarthy.

by **The Dude** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 22:07:44

mccarthy is moyer's kids' father

by **mcare89** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 01:31:16

The Dude wrote:mccarthy is moyer's kids' father

HOW BOUT THAT

by **phorever** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 16:01:41

JFLNYC wrote:

In any event, I give up. There's not a single factual argument for playing Asche over Ruf. If you, Grote or anyone else wants to hope or believe Asche will be better than league average and is a better alternative than Ruf over the next 3 seasons, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. "Hope" and "belief" aren't facts.

sorry... but this argument was giving me deja vu. now i know why...
from philliesphans, 21 april, 2004, when utley was around the age asche is now:

JFLNYC wrote:Would I rather have Scott Rolen or Eric Chavez or Mike Lowell at 3B? Yes, but at what cost? So Bell had a crappy game last night. He, Thome and Burrell are the only reason the Phils have been scoring at all consistently this year. The Phils lost last night because they scored all of one unearned run. And Bell has shown -- despite the contempt thrown his way -- that he does have an ability to get a big hit in the clutch.

And, please don't give me the Utley scenario. Utley has done nothing against major league pitching to suggest his numbers would be anything more than Bell-like. Even if they were a bit better, playing Utley at 2B requires moving an excellent second baseman who hits well for his position to 3B, where his defense is about average and where his production is nothing special for a third baseman.

of course, i was as best wishy-washy on utley at that time, and while shore was one of those strongly opposing you on that occasion, this time he's on your side.

still i think it this old discussion is worth bringing up as a reminder of the difference a year or two can make at around age 24 for a major leaguer, especially given that asche to date has equaled or exceeded utley's performance at matching age/level.

by **bleh** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 17:06:56

low blow

by **Bucky** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 17:20:42

so we're saying projecting success for young players is an inexact science

by **Grotewold** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 17:25:31

phorever wrote:sorry... but this argument was giving me deja vu. now i know why...
from philliesphans, 21 april, 2004, when utley was around the age asche is now

Really living up to the user name

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 17:27:45

My saying something really stupid about Utley doesn't change anything about Asche. At most it means I may be saying something stupid about Asche (gee, there's a shocker!). My stupidity doesn't make Asche a better player or the reincarnation of Chase Utley.

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