Phillies Thoughts: Randomness is Our Best Hope

by **BigEd76** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 23:10:04

joe table wrote:
CFP wrote:Phils to sign Chris Nelson to minor-league deal

As far a scrub signings go I like it. I remember him hitting a massive oppo tater at CBP with the Rockies

off Blanton
off Worley
off Cloyd

by **swishnicholson** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 02:29:58

joe table wrote:
CFP wrote:Phils to sign Chris Nelson to minor-league deal

As far a scrub signings go I like it. I remember him hitting a massive oppo tater at CBP with the Rockies

Selected ninth in the first round in 2004. Man, other than Verlander, what crapshoot that first round was.

by **phorever** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 09:10:19

doubt a trade of cole will happen before the summer deadline.
the main consequence of boston having so obviously put themselves in a position to pay a prospect premium for an attractive way of solving their pitching and cespedes problem simultaneously is that it drives up the perceived prospect price for cole among the public, media, and upper management of the phils, and keeps amaro from getting ripped off in the proud phillies tradition of the rolen, schilling, and lee panic trades.

just about the only safe negotiating position for the combination of this organization and this pitcher is to consider a return of anything less than b or b + owens + cespedes unacceptable. it will take the luck of having another club panic before cole's value drops for that kind of offer to come in, but it would take even more luck for the phils to break even on a lesser trade.

by **Grotewold** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 09:30:23

I'm just not seeing that kind of deal from Boston's end. Maybe if Cole doesn't insist on the option year

by **phorever** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:44:32

i'm not seeing it either. but i prefer no deal to anything less. as long as such a deal from boston remains somewhat plausible, other teams will consider trying to match it. the more matching offers bantered about, the more that this becomes the universally perceived price for hamels, and the less likely the phils are to cave. that's the way i want it.

by **Grotewold** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:49:05

phorever wrote:i'm not seeing it either. but i prefer no deal to anything less. as long as such a deal from boston remains somewhat plausible, other teams will consider trying to match it. the more matching offers bantered about, the more that this becomes the universally perceived price for hamels, and the less likely the phils are to cave. that's the way i want it.

I'm with you on all of that, but like to think teams (especially Boston, Chicago, and LA) are more rational than that

by **my cousin mose** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:12:48

BigEd76 wrote:
joe table wrote:
CFP wrote:Phils to sign Chris Nelson to minor-league deal

As far a scrub signings go I like it. I remember him hitting a massive oppo tater at CBP with the Rockies

off Blanton
off Worley
off Cloyd

Are these links to hire hit men to actually off these jerks?

by **Bucky** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 14:28:08

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by **Bucky** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 14:43:34

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by **BigEd76** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 15:16:04

Stark says the Yankees called about JRoll but the asking price was too high, so they moved on

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 16:25:12

Squire wrote:BA sas we signed RHP Tyler Gonzalez who was a Supplemental First Round pick (out of HS) in 2012 by the Blue Jays. Was pretty bad both in 2012 and 2013 and then had a drug suspension during 2014. Still only 21 I think.

Uh, YAY

by **BigEd76** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 17:08:06

More from Stark on JRoll/Yankees:

Heard from 2 more sources on Rollins-to-NYY report. #Phillies source said all #Yankees offered was a "utility player" & not close to enough
Both sources also said Rollins isn't interested in getting traded to #Yankees so it was a moot point to pursue this further.

...and Hamels:

Phillies source also disputed notion Phillies have asked clubs for their 2 or 3 best prospects for Hamels. They've told clubs to make offers
Source said only offer for Hamels came from club that has never been mentioned in media. Described offer as "good" but "not good enough"

MYSTERY TEAM!

by **Ace Rothstein** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 17:32:56

Jays??^^

by **bleh** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 17:45:39

It just shows he's not interested in rebuilding at all, just waiting for everyone to make him offers.

by **wwry** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 17:48:22

if he's just going to make bad deals i'd rather he just sat back.

by **Monkeyboy** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 19:35:52

bleh wrote:It just shows he's not interested in rebuilding at all, just waiting for everyone to make him offers.

He knows he's on thin ice and he's afraid to make a move that doesn't actually get back anyone useful (again).

Roughly half the teams will make themselves better this off season, but Rube will say there wasn't any opportunities worth pursuing.

by **Roger Dorn** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 19:37:31

Thank god the Eagles are good. I haven't thought about the Phillies in months they have become completely irrelevant to me. Please go away Rube, I miss the Phils.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 19:40:21

Monkeyboy wrote:
bleh wrote:It just shows he's not interested in rebuilding at all, just waiting for everyone to make him offers.

He knows he's on thin ice and he's afraid to make a move that doesn't actually get back anyone useful (again).

Roughly half the teams will make themselves better this off season, but Rube will say there wasn't any opportunities worth pursuing.

yeah this sucks. he needs to take the first made up trade offer in a stark article.

by **Monkeyboy** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 20:27:18

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
bleh wrote:It just shows he's not interested in rebuilding at all, just waiting for everyone to make him offers.

He knows he's on thin ice and he's afraid to make a move that doesn't actually get back anyone useful (again).

Roughly half the teams will make themselves better this off season, but Rube will say there wasn't any opportunities worth pursuing.

yeah this sucks. he needs to take the first made up trade offer in a stark article.

I don't think anyone said he should take the first offer, let alone the first made up offer. Rube is just full of excuses for why he is bad at his job. Nothing is his fault. Bottom line, if anyone else led a company or organization and took it from the very top to near the very bottom, they would be collecting unemployment. It bothers me that the Phils are too dumb or loyal to do what needs to be done.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 20:31:02

I hate him too but it seems a little early to complain about not making any moves this offseason. The only one that matters is Hamels anyway.

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