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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Jimbo » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:14:59

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More fodder for the Hamels-to-Cubs rumors: Sources say Cubs ARE on his approved trade list. Turns out Red Sox are NOT on that list

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby 702 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:19:51

Cubs on approved list. Red Sox are not.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:21:31

I feel like the Cubs' prospects rarely live up to their billing, kinda like Yankees and Angels prospects. I wish they hadn't claimed him. I'm holding out for Dodgers prospects in the offseason for Cole and/or Utley. A trade of Byrd in next few days would be nice.
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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:22:33

apparently the previously release list of teams to which Cole Hamels would accept a trade is wrong. It doesn't have the Red Sox but it does have the Cubs
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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Shore » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:27:05

Monkeyboy wrote:I feel like the Cubs' prospects rarely live up to their billing, kinda like Yankees and Angels prospects. I wish they hadn't claimed him. I'm holding out for Dodgers prospects in the offseason for Cole and/or Utley. A trade of Byrd in next few days would be nice.


The Cubs are loaded. I'd take a SS or two from them.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:28:03

Monkeyboy wrote:I feel like the Cubs' prospects rarely live up to their billing, kinda like Yankees and Angels prospects. I wish they hadn't claimed him. I'm holding out for Dodgers prospects in the offseason for Cole and/or Utley. A trade of Byrd in next few days would be nice.


These ones are different but it was never happening in August regardless of who claimed him.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:28:44

I'm not even sure what the pecking list of guys would be to pick from.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Jimbo » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:28:47

Monkeyboy wrote:I feel like the Cubs' prospects rarely live up to their billing, kinda like Yankees and Angels prospects. I wish they hadn't claimed him. I'm holding out for Dodgers prospects in the offseason for Cole and/or Utley. A trade of Byrd in next few days would be nice.

Cubs are regarded as having pretty much the best farm system in baseball right now.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby WheelsFellOff » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:29:58

Jimbo wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I feel like the Cubs' prospects rarely live up to their billing, kinda like Yankees and Angels prospects. I wish they hadn't claimed him. I'm holding out for Dodgers prospects in the offseason for Cole and/or Utley. A trade of Byrd in next few days would be nice.

Cubs are regarded as having pretty much the best farm system in baseball right now.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Jimbo » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:30:53

ReadingPhilly wrote:I'm not even sure what the pecking list of guys would be to pick from.

Probably would have to figure which two of Baez, Castro, Alcantara, and Russell they want to keep and then start with one of the other two and add on from there. They're crazy deep in position prospects, which makes them a nice trade fit.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby bleh » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:33:35

The Cubs claim just boils down to them being willing to take on the contract so why not put the claim in. I doubt they have any special interest in trying to acquire him or give up top prospects for him. Really it just means there's almost no chance Hamels gets moved.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Jimbo » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:33:46

WheelsFellOff wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I feel like the Cubs' prospects rarely live up to their billing, kinda like Yankees and Angels prospects. I wish they hadn't claimed him. I'm holding out for Dodgers prospects in the offseason for Cole and/or Utley. A trade of Byrd in next few days would be nice.

Cubs are regarded as having pretty much the best farm system in baseball right now.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby WilliamC » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:35:31

Hoping for some crazy Sox-Dodgers action to go down.
Do it again!

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby lethal » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:43:58

bleh wrote:The Cubs claim just boils down to them being willing to take on the contract so why not put the claim in. I doubt they have any special interest in trying to acquire him or give up top prospects for him. Really it just means there's almost no chance Hamels gets moved.


Olney wrote extensively about the Cubs claiming Hamels yesterday. He must've had a source with the Cubs.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster- ... /_/id/7571

3. Create an exclusive negotiation window.

Cole Hamels was placed on waivers earlier this week, and the Cubs -- who have one of the worst records in the majors -- are positioned in front of all teams but the Rockies in the claims pecking order. Chicago’s great challenge is to build a pitching staff, and it would make sense if they claimed Hamels, to buy an exclusive negotiating window with Philadelphia. Hamels will make at least $90 million over the next four years, meaning he could be the foundation piece for the Cubs’ rotation, in theory. It’s more likely than not that the Cubs and Phillies wouldn’t make a deal, and that Hamels would be pulled back from waivers -- but hey, why not take a shot?

4. Ensure a player is available for offseason discussions.

Back to Hamels and the Cubs: Chicago could place a claim on Hamels believing that a deal is all but impossible -- but they also would be blocking the Dodgers or some other team from snagging Hamels now. Why not prevent another team from having an exclusive window to negotiate for a player you might want?

5. Improve the marketability of your own player.

Again, with the Cubs and Hamels, as a hypothetical example: If the Cubs keep Hamels from being available to competing teams such as the Dodgers, Giants, etc., that increases the possible trade value and attractiveness of the starting pitchers that the Cubs might send down the line. If the Cubs wanted to market Jake Arrieta right now as a specialty item, they could pass him through waivers in the hope that he reached the Dodgers, who might be desperate enough to overpay.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Thu Aug 07, 2014 15:55:50

WilliamC wrote:Hoping for some crazy Sox-Dodgers action to go down.

Me too. Both are such perfect matches. Top pitching prospect (Urias/Owens) + major league ready hitter (Pederson/Betts) + fatigued prospect status toolsy pitcher with a #3 ceiling but plus reliever floor (Zach Lee/Anthony Ranaudo). Both teams also have a no way they'll give us this guy too (Seager/Swihart).

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Aug 07, 2014 16:30:41

lethal wrote:
bleh wrote:The Cubs claim just boils down to them being willing to take on the contract so why not put the claim in. I doubt they have any special interest in trying to acquire him or give up top prospects for him. Really it just means there's almost no chance Hamels gets moved.


Olney wrote extensively about the Cubs claiming Hamels yesterday. He must've had a source with the Cubs.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster- ... /_/id/7571

3. Create an exclusive negotiation window.

Cole Hamels was placed on waivers earlier this week, and the Cubs -- who have one of the worst records in the majors -- are positioned in front of all teams but the Rockies in the claims pecking order. Chicago’s great challenge is to build a pitching staff, and it would make sense if they claimed Hamels, to buy an exclusive negotiating window with Philadelphia. Hamels will make at least $90 million over the next four years, meaning he could be the foundation piece for the Cubs’ rotation, in theory. It’s more likely than not that the Cubs and Phillies wouldn’t make a deal, and that Hamels would be pulled back from waivers -- but hey, why not take a shot?

4. Ensure a player is available for offseason discussions.

Back to Hamels and the Cubs: Chicago could place a claim on Hamels believing that a deal is all but impossible -- but they also would be blocking the Dodgers or some other team from snagging Hamels now. Why not prevent another team from having an exclusive window to negotiate for a player you might want?

5. Improve the marketability of your own player.

Again, with the Cubs and Hamels, as a hypothetical example: If the Cubs keep Hamels from being available to competing teams such as the Dodgers, Giants, etc., that increases the possible trade value and attractiveness of the starting pitchers that the Cubs might send down the line. If the Cubs wanted to market Jake Arrieta right now as a specialty item, they could pass him through waivers in the hope that he reached the Dodgers, who might be desperate enough to overpay.

That's actually some of the best analysis I've ever seen from Buster. Wonder who he got that from.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Aug 07, 2014 16:49:06

trying to think of a realistic cubs deal where i'd be ok with hamels being dealt. two of almora/soler/russell and cj edwards. they keep baez, bryant, schwarber and one other position guy.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby lethal » Thu Aug 07, 2014 17:38:24

JFLNYC wrote:It would be a kick in the head if Revere somehow ended up leading the league in BA.


A batting title would increase his trade value.

Tulo probably won't have enough PAs to qualify, right? Otherwise Revere's just 7 points behind Puig and Matt Adams. Wow.

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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby azrider » Thu Aug 07, 2014 18:05:15

lethal wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:It would be a kick in the head if Revere somehow ended up leading the league in BA.


A batting title would increase his trade value.

Tulo probably won't have enough PAs to qualify, right? Otherwise Revere's just 7 points behind Puig and Matt Adams. Wow.


The epic season revere is having may be one of the sole reasons to continue to watch and follow the phillies for the remainder of the season. The dude is batting .309 yet his ops is .698. That is so fucking amazing, it should be talked about for years. A highlight video both offensively and defensively of 2014 Ben revere should not only be produced, but in everyone's video library.

Btw... Whitey would've loved him, Hertzog that is.



Has anyone who ever qualified that batted over .300 have less than 20 RBI?
If it weren't for the 1890's he would also have some sort of record for the least amount of extra base hits too.

In my search for this level of awesome ineptitude, I searched the usual suspects, Juan Pierre, Omar Moreno, Vince Coleman and I found in strike shortened 1981 willie Wilson to possess nearly identical awesome ineptitude. And damn did Omar Moreno suck!
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Re: RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

Postby Grotewold » Thu Aug 07, 2014 18:25:48

The .328 OBP is actually pretty strong for a guy with his speed. He would be valuable in a corner on a team with a lot more power

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