RANDAMARO PHILLIES THOUGHTS

by **td11** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 17:31:14

wwry is in town and being investigated for murders

by **WilliamC** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 17:36:40

I love Murph

by **drsmooth** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 17:59:16

Polar Bear Phan wrote:We've always strived to be an organization that provides family-friendly entertainment. Winning really got in the way of--and crowded out--our opportunities for theme nights. Amaro changed this.

by **Grotewold** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 18:18:56

CFP wrote:Looks like Murph is doing PBP tonight.

Following the McCarthy path smh

Although Murph in the booth and a babe in the stands would net out

by **smitty** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:10:24

Grotewold wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Almost everyone was gothing out, especially after they dumped Abreu.

We definitely started rebuilding too late, but I really do feel the landscape can change quickly. Alderson hasn't exactly been a wizard but even the freaking Mets could have been interesting this year with Harvey and one or two "overpay" hitters. We're behind them on the rebuild, obviously, but not by five years, and we have stronger resources

I think the Abreu thing was more the fact that we all loved Abreu so much. At least it was for me.

Yep, toward the end of a horrid first season for Gillick

But the funny part was the team immediately got hot and then Howard went off

Abreu's replacement, David Dellucci, was really good after the trade. Then we got the Wertz.

Now all the guys who are crapping out have no replacements.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:13:30

It wasn't so much trading abreu, it was packaging lidle with him and still getting compete shit back. That deal wasn't high rated guys who fizzled out, it was junk.

by **dajafi** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:15:10

ReadingPhilly wrote:It wasn't so much trading abreu, it was packaging lidle with him and still getting compete #$!&@ back. That deal wasn't high rated guys who fizzled out, it was junk.

Not that I think this is the same thing--for a lot of reasons--but when I read that the Fausto PTBNL J. Valentin was a high draft pick, my first thought was "so the fuck what? So was C.J. Henry…"

by **smitty** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:20:07

Henry was also a pretty fair prospect for a short while. Only weakness was he actually sucked.

by **bleh** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:45:10

The argument for trading Abreu was they were freeing up salary. Then they signed Adam Eaton.

by **smitty** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:50:15

Mitch Williams swore Eaton would be way awesome if he only "got on top of the ball."

by **Bucky** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 19:59:50

one of my fav memories of the parade was the woody photoshop with eaton in the plane overhead, so he had some value

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 20:17:16

Grotewold wrote:
td11 wrote:the entire pitching staff minus hamels, lidge, and i guess madson would've been "no" in 2008

And the only slam dunks on offense were Rollins, Utley, and Howard.

Victorino and Ruiz and to a lesser extent Werth looked very promising in that regard, but none was a blue chip prospect of ours by any means.

Victorino, Ruiz, and Wertz were known to be good hitting prospects, Victorino was also known to be a plus fielder and even won the International League (AAA) MVP in 2005. The question marks were if Ruiz would become a MLB catcher after changing positions in the minors and if Wertz would be a plus hitter again after the hand/wrist injury.

by **TenuredVulture** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 20:44:26

drsmooth wrote:Good news for the 2015 Phils: if the new commissioner handles his priorities right, there will be less of Phillies losses

Without clicking, I guess this means they'll player fewer games?

by **slugsrbad** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 09:24:07

I just went onto the ESPN, and I had a sad. The Phillies won (I didn't know) and the tag was "Williams, Blanco push Phillies past Mariners" and it took me way too long to remember who either of them were.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:33:24

If we'd had them from the beginning of the season, just think what might have been!

by **WhiteyFan** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:44:20

Every MLB Team's Most Encouraging Sign for the Future

Philadelphia Phillies

The Most Encouraging Sign: The Play of Ben Revere

It's a challenge to find any encouraging signs from the Philadelphia Phillies 2014 season. Team is in last place in the NL East and GM Ruben Amaro Jr. did nothing to improve the team squad at the deadline.

One player who has been a bright spot is Ben Revere. The center fielder is second in the league with a .315 average, which means he still has a chance to pass Justin Morneau and claim the NL batting title.

by **phorever** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:21:16

JFLNYC wrote:
The Phils minor league system has very few players position players capable of helping the major league team in the near future. One of the possible few is Cesar Hernandez.

Cesar has had a very good minor league career. Good BA, very good OBP, doubles and triples power, could steal 30+ bases, switch hitter, etc.

i'm sorta ok with your overall point, but i don't agree with cesar as having the potential to help in the near future. he's just hitting his actuarial peak and i don't think he will pass utley in value before utley's contract is up and his own value starts to decline. his minor league stats are basically those of revere with about the same overall bb rate and babip, double the power, double the k rate (a big issue in projecting minor leaguers, iirc) , and a substantially lower sb success rate. plus he has a reputation for a weak arm and defense rising only to maybe mediocre at one of the positions he can play (2b). overall, that seems to project to 2014 revere as his upside, and only if he plays almost exclusively 2b on a regular basis. he's been weak so far in aaa and horrible in over 200 pa's in the majors. that would mean benching the team's best and most popular player or an ugly effort to get him to go against his strong preference and waive his 5-and-10 rights to enable a trade. to give a chance to a guy more likely than not to be sub-revere. there aren't many actions that could hurt attendence and revenue more than maintaining the present course... but i'm pretty sure that would be one of them. even the somewhat distasteful ideaof doing something similar with rollins and galvis (i used to like it but i'm close to giving up on galvis) looks to me like a much better option that playing hernandez in utley's place.

by **Woody** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:55:33

WhiteyFan wrote:
Every MLB Team's Most Encouraging Sign for the Future

Philadelphia Phillies

The Most Encouraging Sign: The Play of Ben Revere

It's a challenge to find any encouraging signs from the Philadelphia Phillies 2014 season. Team is in last place in the NL East and GM Ruben Amaro Jr. did nothing to improve the team squad at the deadline.

One player who has been a bright spot is Ben Revere. The center fielder is second in the league with a .315 average, which means he still has a chance to pass Justin Morneau and claim the NL batting title.

fuck

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:06:24

phorever, I'm afraid you're missing the point.

Who's going to be the Phils' starting 2B in 2017 and thereafter?

It's not going to be Utley. So the fact that Utley may outperform Cesar in 2015 and 2016 is largely irrelevant since the Phils won't contend those years. The point is that, rather than giving two years of irrelevant PT to Utley, the Phils could have made those two years relevant by using them to start to identify who will be the Phils' starting 2B when they next contend. As I've said before, it may not be Hernandez, but you're not going to find out unless you give him ML PT. Giving that PT to Utley is not only wasted, but it delays the time when you have found yourself a viable replacement unless you believe the Phils are going to find the right guy at the right time via trade or free agency.

As for the comparison with Revere, I'll note a few things. Revere's OWAR this year is 6. If you're going to equate that performance with our possible future 2B, an OWAR of 6 would place him 6th among NL 2B. Not great, but perhaps good enough going forward. I also think you're not looking closely enough at the BB rate numbers. Revere's BB rate started to decline noticeably as soon as he hit AAA. Cesar's hasn't. Further, Revere's BB rate has declined all the way down to 2.2% this year, while Cesar's, even in his limited playing time this year and last on the big league level, is 7.0%.

And speaking of defense, lack of arm strength matters a lot less for a 2B than a CF. Cesar's arm strength has been good enough to play occasional 3B and even SS, which strongly suggests his arm is stronger than, for example, Utley's. As for the rest of his defense, I'm not sure where you're getting your information that "he has a reputation for a weak arm and defense rising only to maybe mediocre," but I doubt there's much in the way of reliable information available supporting that claim.

The overall point, though, is that we're both guessing at how Cesar might perform as a full-time MLB 2B and the only way to find out for sure would have been to give him the opportunity. But it's too late now. If you re-read what I posted, you'll see it was in response to Grote's question as to what I might have done differently and one of those things was not re-signing Utley so as to find out if Cesar has what it takes. Having re-signed one of the best and most popular players in Phillies history who also has 5-10 rights, the Phils chose another path and, although it's theoretically possible they could get Utley to agree to a trade, the fact is they're not going to trade him.

Whether I like it or not, the search for the next Phillies 2B (and 1B and SS and C) is going to be further delayed by virtue of decisions made by Rube, and that's what I find to be perhaps the most frustrating aspect of the current situation.

by **WheelsFellOff** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:16:17

Who is the worst offensive player to have ever won a batting title before Revere does it?

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