wait why does it suck?

Limits his suitors.

td11 wrote:wait why does it suck?

Because whatever team that claimed him is the only team they can trade him to now and it has to be done in the next 2 or 3 days

damn

As long as they're happy sending 2 of their top 3 prospects, this should work out fine.

CalvinBall wrote:PAP not claimed

I know its a lot of money but really what else can the guy do this year to prove he is still an elite closer?

Strike more guys out, honestly. If his K rate was higher, he'd have been claimed.

I doubt it.

Byrd pulled from the game

Shore wrote:As long as they're happy sending 2 of their top 3 prospects, this should work out fine.

I feel bad but it took me a second. Then I actually laughed.

702 wrote:Byrd pulled from the game

Sandberg just resting him.

It would be a kick in the head if Revere somehow ended up leading the league in BA.

I'd be happy for him. It's basically meaningless in his case but a batting title is cool

A kick in the head? I want to throw up watching him throw the ball or run the wrong direction on seemingly every fly ball but he can hit the holes with the bat. There he isn't terrible. Probably should be off the bench.

Never heard of him breaking news but:

Mike Missanelli @MikeMiss975
My info sez the CUBS put in the waiver claim on Cole Hamels. Would the Phils trade him there now and would Cole accept?

Obviously this won't happen in 48 hours but at least maybe some groundwork can be set for talks in the off-season. Cubs are loaded with prospects.

Someone else (Realken?) speculated the Cubs would claim Hamels. It would be weird to trade him to another rebuilding team (that's well ahead of us, I know), but possibly beneficial

i'll say it here and now: the phils will be the loser of any trade of hamels before the start of 2015, no matter which gm's are involved.
and i'm 90% sure they would lose any trade of hamels before the start of 2016.

the phils don't need to free up his 2016-18 salary, because they have lots of money and they already have guys in the system who could well be cheap, good replacements for rollins, byrd, ruiz, and papelbon by then (crawford, dugan, knapp, giles, with several other options at each spot) plus a bunch of solid outfield prosepcts highlighted by quinn. they need pitching, and tinstaapp means that pitching prospects acquired for hamels are unlikely to help the big club as much as would hamels himself in those years, even with the usual age/injury discount. poor win totals this year and next mean several more shots at draft picks like nola and imhof who could be significant contributors alongside hamels in those years. we get those lottery tickets for nothing. the added value of a couple more such lottery tickets is not worth paying the price of hamels to get them.

if and only if the phils can get a really good ss/2b/3b prospect for hamels could they win such a trade, but i don't think any team is willing to give up those players these days, and several of those that have been favorites the past few years have been huge busts.

if they trade him it would hopefully be for impact players on offense. i love hamels, but keeping him around for two or threes years until we hope this team is good again is an expensive risk for a pitcher who has already missed time with an injury.

I'm less on the "trade Hamels" bandwagon than I was a month ago, mostly because it doesn't seem like any teams are inclined to give up the premium prospect haul that would make a deal worthwhile. But the question of whether or not the team would "win" a trade like that is a little misleading, because the return is both whatever the acquired guys produce and the production bought with the dollars freed up (assuming they don't just pocket the money saved, which is probably a safe assumption now).

If the Cubs (or Dodgers, or Red Sox, or Cardinals) sent two of their top MLB-ready prospects for Hamels, and the Phils bought Castillo and a second-tier FA pitcher with the money saved, I think that would be a really solid return that would speed the rebuild. Particularly considering the downside risk that they hold onto him, and he gets hurt or just starts to decline.

Think the Hamels claim report actually originated with a CSN Chicago guy if that makes anyone feel better.

And the Cubs have a metric ton of position prospects that they could deal. I echo the belief that it's incredibly unlikely that anything gets done in the next day and a half, but this is absolutely something that could have legs in the offseason. It's likely that targeting someone like Hamels is at least part of the reason that the Cubs accumulated their arsenal of prospects.