If Sandberg is committed to winning as he says he is, sitting Howard against Hudson is idiotic. Bench him against other guys, sure, but he hasn't really hit any other pitcher better than him in his career.

tim hudson is on the giants?

makes perfect sense i guess

CalvinBall wrote:sending messages!

that will help a guy who can't see the ball! MESSAGES! against one of the few guys he can see the ball against!

joe table wrote:tim hudson is on the giants?

makes perfect sense i guess

and doing pretty decent, too

Guys, it doesn't matter. Howard's so terrible. Ruf is straight up better "not Ryan Howard".

Howard has hit a lot of guys in his career. He doesn't hit anymore.

Ruf getting his 2014 audition. If he succeeds, Asche goes to LF in 2015. If he fails, Asche stays at 3B and Franco moves to 1B in 2015.

sydnor wrote:Guys, it doesn't matter. Howard's so terrible. Ruf is straight up better "not Ryan Howard".

Howard has hit a lot of guys in his career. He doesn't hit anymore.

The fact that he has more walks than K's against a pitcher, with 79 plate appearances, suggests he sees the ball well against him. If Howard is in a platoon, this is the game you use Howard for.

could be the turning point in the season

Rollins is 6 PAs from hitting his vesting option for 2015 as long as he's not injured at the end of the season.

Werthless wrote:

sydnor wrote:Guys, it doesn't matter. Howard's so terrible. Ruf is straight up better "not Ryan Howard".

Howard has hit a lot of guys in his career. He doesn't hit anymore.

The fact that he has more walks than K's against a pitcher, with 79 plate appearances, suggests he sees the ball well against him. If Howard is in a platoon, this is the game you use Howard for.

What's the break down in BB/K between years before he sucked and years since he sucked?

Also, I wouldn't care much if he played either. A platoon doesn't matter at this point.

But with or without arm trouble, Lee's value is much affected by his contract. The Philadelphia Phillies' deals, one official mused, present an example of why some teams have set policies against handing out particular contract clauses, such as no-trade clauses. "Their contracts have everything," said one executive, referring to the many vesting options and player options and significant buyouts. "It's like they're evergreen."

so you're saying rube's a great negotiator with agents

Murphy has a column today putting a lot of the blame on Montgomery. I think the Olney detail pretty much confirms that. Did anybody ever ask Amaro why all those clauses were necessary? Was there any kind of review to see the extent to which other teams do things like that, and how they work out?

I know some people grind their teeth when we compare the Phillies to the Eagles, and Chip Kelly in particular. But one of the interesting things about Kelly is his curiosity about other successful organizations and their practices--what makes them successful. I don't think the questions "why" and "what if" are asked too often in the Phillies' executive suite.

Stripper: Please use protection
Rube: lol y?

Kyle Scott made an Amaro version of the Gmail inbox joke

*fart* whatever

so i looked at Howard/Hudson post sucking - I'm defining 2011 as the start of sucking but an .835 OPS in 2011 isn't necessarily terrible.

Anyway

2011 - 3/12 with 1 walk, 2K, 1 sac fly gets
2012 - 5/14 with 2 walks, 3K, 1HR
2013 - 0/2

Gets you an obp of .344, slg of .500 and 3 walks and 5K. Clearly even in 2012 where he was terrible, he hit Hudson well, but is that because he "Sees the ball well against Hudson" or because he gets hot every once in a while and happened to play against Hudson. Won't we see for RH pitchers who have been around for more than 5 years stats that indicate that Ryan Howard terrorized those players? How relevant is what he did back in 08/09?

BigEd76 wrote:Kyle Scott made an Amaro version of the Gmail inbox joke

*fart* whatever

That's actually pretty solid

yeah pretty funny

sydnor wrote:so i looked at Howard/Hudson post sucking - I'm defining 2011 as the start of sucking but an .835 OPS in 2011 isn't necessarily terrible.

Anyway

2011 - 3/12 with 1 walk, 2K, 1 sac fly gets
2012 - 5/14 with 2 walks, 3K, 1HR
2013 - 0/2

Gets you an obp of .344, slg of .500 and 3 walks and 5K. Clearly even in 2012 where he was terrible, he hit Hudson well, but is that because he "Sees the ball well against Hudson" or because he gets hot every once in a while and happened to play against Hudson. Won't we see for RH pitchers who have been around for more than 5 years stats that indicate that Ryan Howard terrorized those players? How relevant is what he did back in 08/09?

You make a decent point.

pacino wrote:

sydnor wrote:so i looked at Howard/Hudson post sucking - I'm defining 2011 as the start of sucking but an .835 OPS in 2011 isn't necessarily terrible.

Anyway

2011 - 3/12 with 1 walk, 2K, 1 sac fly gets
2012 - 5/14 with 2 walks, 3K, 1HR
2013 - 0/2

Gets you an obp of .344, slg of .500 and 3 walks and 5K. Clearly even in 2012 where he was terrible, he hit Hudson well, but is that because he "Sees the ball well against Hudson" or because he gets hot every once in a while and happened to play against Hudson. Won't we see for RH pitchers who have been around for more than 5 years stats that indicate that Ryan Howard terrorized those players? How relevant is what he did back in 08/09?

You make a decent point.

Except the original point was that if you don't play Howard against a RHP that he's enjoyed success against (albeit less so over the past three seasons than in his first five), then why are you even keeping him on the roster? This should be the one guy he gets a start against.

The CLidle undeliverable notice was a nice touch