are you implying a callup, Jamie, or are you saying that Howard's hurt much much worse than we thought and would not be available next year?

As a fan, I'd love for Franco to come up during a lost season like this. But given I don't think he's fully baked and there could be financial benefits from keeping him down on the farm, I doubt he gets called up.

Don't understand Orr being up either rather than Cesar Hernandez to see if he can play CF....

I think it's at least a little bit about Asche and Ruf (full-time OF) playing well. Key to Jordan's quote was the part about Franco's bat coming along quickly, so perhaps he squeezes Frandsen out as the 3B/1B platoon guy next year

Especially if Hernandez or Bernadina squeezes Mayberry (who can sort of play 1B) out

Bob Loblaw wrote:Don't understand Orr being up either rather than Cesar Hernandez to see if he can play LF....

All the minor league seasons end next Monday/Tuesday, so he'll be up with Galvis, Aumont, Valdes and the rest of the Pigs

Grotewold wrote:I think it's at least a little bit about Asche and Ruf (full-time OF) playing well. Key to Jordan's quote was the part about Franco's bat coming along quickly, so perhaps he squeezes Frandsen out as the 3B/1B platoon guy next year

Especially if Hernandez or Bernadina squeezes Mayberry (who can sort of play 1B) out

I don't care about Hernandez coming up or not right now given he'd not play every day.

I don't like the idea of Franco being the short side (Right handed batters get max 25% of the ab in a strict platoon, and him serving at two different positions doesn't really increase that.) We can't be bringing up a 21 year old, next year, with this guy's future to play 25% of the time. I mean maybe in August if we're in the midst of a playoff race, but not from the get go.

great, we just lost our 3rd best reliefer

sydnor wrote:

Grotewold wrote:I think it's at least a little bit about Asche and Ruf (full-time OF) playing well. Key to Jordan's quote was the part about Franco's bat coming along quickly, so perhaps he squeezes Frandsen out as the 3B/1B platoon guy next year

Especially if Hernandez or Bernadina squeezes Mayberry (who can sort of play 1B) out

I don't care about Hernandez coming up or not right now given he'd not play every day.

I don't like the idea of Franco being the short side (Right handed batters get max 25% of the ab in a strict platoon, and him serving at two different positions doesn't really increase that.) We can't be bringing up a 21 year old, next year, with this guy's future to play 25% of the time. I mean maybe in August if we're in the midst of a playoff race, but not from the get go.

I was talking about next year for Hernandez.

As for Franco, I'm only saying that if he closes this year out well and shines in the spring. I agree a part-time role isn't ideal in that situation, but neither is dumping Asche if he's playing well.

They mentioned trying Asche in LF in the winter. That could open things up a bit.

Has any beat writer given an explanation for Franco's move?

I wonder what events would have to transpire for Gillies to be called up. He's been on the 40 man roster all year but they've gone through like 12 outfielders ahead of him.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Has any beat writer given an explanation for Franco's move?

I thought there was a quote from an assistant GM saying they just want to add another position to his repertoire, which I guess has been their m.o. with a lot of players lately

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Has any beat writer given an explanation for Franco's move?

Just trying him there in case he's blocked by Asche

there is no way i would platoon franco. 1B move is kinda fishy though. could have played him there twice a week at AAA instead of a full time move

Grotewold wrote:

sydnor wrote:

Grotewold wrote:I think it's at least a little bit about Asche and Ruf (full-time OF) playing well. Key to Jordan's quote was the part about Franco's bat coming along quickly, so perhaps he squeezes Frandsen out as the 3B/1B platoon guy next year

Especially if Hernandez or Bernadina squeezes Mayberry (who can sort of play 1B) out

I don't care about Hernandez coming up or not right now given he'd not play every day.

I don't like the idea of Franco being the short side (Right handed batters get max 25% of the ab in a strict platoon, and him serving at two different positions doesn't really increase that.) We can't be bringing up a 21 year old, next year, with this guy's future to play 25% of the time. I mean maybe in August if we're in the midst of a playoff race, but not from the get go.

I was talking about next year for Hernandez.

As for Franco, I'm only saying that if he closes this year out well and shines in the spring. I agree a part-time role isn't ideal in that situation, but neither is dumping Asche if he's playing well.

They mentioned trying Asche in LF in the winter. That could open things up a bit.

I see what you're saying now, the way I read it about the advances in Franco's bat, I thought you were talking about Franco for the platoon. I get it. And I don't want to throw Asche aside and reduce his value.



How else are we going to acquire Stanton?

Grotewold wrote:They mentioned trying Asche in LF in the winter. That could open things up a bit.

I thought he said they were going to try either him or Franco at a different position, maybe 2B (this was before the Utley extension). LF makes sense too.

choco wrote:

Grotewold wrote:They mentioned trying Asche in LF in the winter. That could open things up a bit.

I thought he said they were going to try either him or Franco at a different position, maybe 2B (this was before the Utley extension). LF makes sense too.

From everything I've read, Franco is either 3B or 1B. They already tried Asche at 2B to poor results

Let's not give these guys positions. Let's just put them all in the field and let them roam like cattle.

sydnor wrote:are you implying a callup, Jamie, or are you saying that Howard's hurt much much worse than we thought and would not be available next year?

As a fan, I'd love for Franco to come up during a lost season like this. But given I don't think he's fully baked and there could be financial benefits from keeping him down on the farm, I doubt he gets called up.

Agreed. Thinking Howard's recovery not going as well as hoped, so they're thinking of next year and beyond, especially with Asche playing well.

joe table wrote:there is no way i would platoon franco. 1B move is kinda fishy though. could have played him there twice a week at AAA instead of a full time move

i mean there's only like 11 games left or some shit

why do you refuse to connect teh dots

JFLNYC wrote:

sydnor wrote:are you implying a callup, Jamie, or are you saying that Howard's hurt much much worse than we thought and would not be available next year?

As a fan, I'd love for Franco to come up during a lost season like this. But given I don't think he's fully baked and there could be financial benefits from keeping him down on the farm, I doubt he gets called up.

Agreed. Thinking Howard's recovery not going as well as hoped, so they're thinking of next year and beyond, especially with Asche playing well.

There's a joke there about Trent Steele and voodoo dolls.