ReadingPhilly wrote:

Soren wrote:Cano has "fast and catastrophic decline" written all over him.

interested as to what you leads you to believe that.

choco wrote:I mean, Cano's a great player, but I thought our objective was to get younger and to between allocate our resources, not getting another older player who plays the same position as one of our best players.

swishnicholson wrote:

It has become insufferable to first watch Brett Gardner, then 39-year-old Ichiro Suzuki busting it to reach first base, followed by watching Robinson Cano regularly surrender himself at home plate to see-no-evil silence and the ambient issue as to whether his next contract will be for $200 million.

I don’t care if Cano hits .350 and 40 home runs, the way he plays the game at its highest, most significant level is impossible to reconcile; it’s an assault on all the good common senses and a crime against The Game.

JFLNYC wrote:Cano's not a great fit for the Phils for reasons others have mentioned. But, given his body type and beautiful swing, I see no reason why he can't be a very productive hitter into his mid-30's and perhaps beyond.

sydnor wrote:As far as creative ideas, I wouldn't be opposed to moving Utley to 1st with Cano at 2nd. I think his hitting would improve at a less taxing position and while that wouldn't completely account for the drop in Utley's value from moving to 1st from 2nd, it would help. I don't think Utley would be overpaid in such a scenario.

Howard you'd be writing off at 90% of his contract at least (I mean surely someone would take him for 3 years/15 no?) and that's probably not super smart given he can probably produce more value than that.

But yeah, 6 WAR players are good.

choco wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:

Squire wrote:I am still intrigued about the fact that they moved Franco to 1B for the rest of the season. Is that a vote of confidence in Asche? That's how I'm interpreting it.

i'm hoping they've had talks with teams about eating a chunk of howard's deal to move him.

Ryan Howard is guaranteed $85 million over the next 3 years.

After 2010, Adam Dunn signed for 4/56. After 2012, Adam LaRoache signed for 2/24. Swisher got 4/56+option. Ortiz got 2/26. Youk got 1/12. Berkman 1/10.

What's Howard worth as a free agent? I probably wouldn't offer more than the Berkman deal. For 3 years, no more than $15-$20 mil.

If you're going to have to eat $65-$70 million in salary and getting not much in return, you might as well keep Howard as a platoon player and hope his upside gives you more than $5 mil in value per year while healthy.

Rockinghorse wrote:What's the most a team has eaten to get rid of a healthy-ish player? I see the Rangers paid $67MM of $169MM owed to A-Rod when they dealt him to the Yankees. I can't see the Phillies paying more than a few million to dump Howard.

Matt Winkelman wrote:A really stacked contingent of players to the AFL for the Phillies: Dugan, Giles, Wright, Altherr, Simon, Nesseth, and Rupp

Grotewold wrote:

Matt Winkelman wrote:A really stacked contingent of players to the AFL for the Phillies: Dugan, Giles, Wright, Altherr, Simon, Nesseth, and Rupp

Grotewold wrote:

Matt Winkelman wrote:A really stacked contingent of players to the AFL for the Phillies: Dugan, Giles, Wright, Altherr, Simon, Nesseth, and Rupp

Bucky wrote:you're basically paying $15M (minus ~$475K) for 1.5WAR