Bucky wrote:Asche's gonna be 4.5 WAR next year, so you're basically paying $15M (minus ~$475K) for 1.5WAR

Soren wrote:I was told the phillies had no prospects?

Brian Dawkins wrote:Give us some respect righ nawww

Soren wrote:Joseph had a season ending injury.

I was told the phillies had no prospects?

Bucky wrote:(cano - asche) = $14.5M

swishnicholson wrote:Posted this in the worst articles thread, but I'll throw it in here too WHERE MAYBE IT WON'T BE COMPLETELY IGNORED!!!

swishnicholson wrote:

It has become insufferable to first watch Brett Gardner, then 39-year-old Ichiro Suzuki busting it to reach first base, followed by watching Robinson Cano regularly surrender himself at home plate to see-no-evil silence and the ambient issue as to whether his next contract will be for $200 million.

I don’t care if Cano hits .350 and 40 home runs, the way he plays the game at its highest, most significant level is impossible to reconcile; it’s an assault on all the good common senses and a crime against The Game.

Mr. Mushnick

Grotewold wrote:

Soren wrote:I was told the phillies had no prospects?

Really. I mean, I guess we can't count guys like Ruf and Diekman and Boner since they've played a good amount of MLB now, but I haven't heard the Phils get much credit for drafting and developing them.

And we've got Asche and Hernandez and Galvis and Martin right on the verge and higher-ceiling guys like Franco and Biddle and Dugan and Crawford. And a lower-minors group that even the people who rip our system at large concede is strong.

Brian Dawkins wrote:Give us some respect righ nawww

phorever wrote:looking more and more like ruf can hold the fort better than most fa/trade options till someone like dugan arrives to give him platoon support as
pitchers start to figure him out.

upgrading the outfield has moved down my list of offseason priorities.
given the impressive recent performance of diekman and the fact that that martin looks like a better fit for the pen than the rotation at least for next year, the pen too has dropped down the list.

i don't believe chooch will be able to keep on producing much longer, and rupp needs to keep up the late-season aaa surge a bit longer to make him seem like a safe option, so catching remains high on list.

starting pitching has to be the top priority, though. i don't see anyone we really can count on right now beyond lee and hamels.
so... who would a smart gm target?

choco wrote:Cano to the Phillies? Olney speculates. http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster- ... st?id=2986

3. Philadelphia Phillies

As noted, they have Utley. But keep in mind that in the fall of 2007, when the Yankees weren't sure whether they would be able to re-sign Rodriguez, they had a discussion then about whether there would be a day when Cano would move to third base. He has the strong arm required to play the position, for sure. Or, if Cano signed, maybe the choice would be for Utley to shift to third.

The Phillies, like the Nationals, might be looking for a way to change the conversation about the future, to provide some hope for their fan base -- especially at a time when the team is embarking on negotiations for a new television contract.

Bob Loblaw wrote:

Soren wrote:Joseph had a season ending injury.

I was told the phillies had no prospects?

He had numerous concussions. However, there's no time table as for when one comes back from a concussion. He could be ready now/start of the AFL.

JFLNYC wrote:A 4.5 WAR would make Asche more or less one of the top 30 position players in the game.

Bill McNeal wrote:Pretty crazy that there are only 28 players with a war of 4.0 or greater and that one of those players is Shane Victorino.

stevelxa476 wrote:

choco wrote:Cano to the Phillies? Olney speculates. http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster- ... st?id=2986

3. Philadelphia Phillies

As noted, they have Utley. But keep in mind that in the fall of 2007, when the Yankees weren't sure whether they would be able to re-sign Rodriguez, they had a discussion then about whether there would be a day when Cano would move to third base. He has the strong arm required to play the position, for sure. Or, if Cano signed, maybe the choice would be for Utley to shift to third.

The Phillies, like the Nationals, might be looking for a way to change the conversation about the future, to provide some hope for their fan base -- especially at a time when the team is embarking on negotiations for a new television contract.

I am surprised that the rest of this wasn't "To clear payroll for this, they would trade Hamels to the Dodgers".

Shore wrote:Victorino, per fangraphs, has about 40% of his career defensive value in the first 98 games of this year.

Bill McNeal wrote:Pretty crazy that there are only 28 players with a war of 4.0 or greater and that one of those players is Shane Victorino.