Doll Is Mine wrote:Charlie on Mayberry"

"I can’t explain to you how the guy can be holding him on, how he can have a short lead … and he gets picked off,” Manuel said. “(Plays like that) inexcusable. When you’re playing like we are now, you’ve got to really be concentrating on staying focused and playing the game right and cutting down and eliminating mistakes. ... The more that you see mistakes and the more you see somebody keep making mistakes over and over and over and over, that might tell you what kind of player that he is. If I’m going to be responsible, I think other people have to be responsible too, especially the ones that play the game.”

Yikes. I agree with him. Mayberry is a dumb player. He just doesn't look like he has any baseball instincts.

Oof. Talking like a guy that just doesn't give a fuck anymore, not that I can blame him.

Doll Is Mine wrote:The more that you see mistakes and the more you see somebody keep making mistakes over and over and over and over, that might tell you what kind of player that he is.

Of the 8 Phillies with the most PA this year, Rollins has the worst OPS+, wOBA and wRC+. What does it tell you about a manager who keeps batting him 3rd or 1st over and over and over? Or what it does it tell you about a manager who puts a guy with a .173 BA the last two seasons against LHP in the cleanup spot against LHP over and over and over?

John Mayberry, Jr. does not have a monopoly on stupidity when it comes to the Phils.

This is the worst. Charlie really should retire. The team isn't this bad, and I think one thing a manager is supposed to be able to do is get a team out of a tailspin like this.

Mayberry plays like he doesn't give a shit.

For someone who has a Stanford education, Mayberry sure is a dumbass

Luzinski's Gut wrote:For someone who has a Stanford education, Mayberry sure is a dumbass

You're using Mayberry as the anti-Stanford exemplar in the Phillies' employ?

Your winking and subtlety don't fool me. I know who you're alluding to.

@DennisDeitch: Phils have spent $4.75 million on outfielders this season & $70 million on a starting rotation. That's lopsided. You're doing it wrong.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:@DennisDeitch: Phils have spent $4.75 million on outfielders this season & $70 million on a starting rotation. That's lopsided. You're doing it wrong.

An outfield of Brown, Revere and not Delmon would have been fine, its not about the money, its the talent.

Bill McNeal wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:@DennisDeitch: Phils have spent $4.75 million on outfielders this season & $70 million on a starting rotation. That's lopsided. You're doing it wrong.

An outfield of Brown, Revere and not Delmon would have been fine, its not about the money, its the talent.

That's for all 5 positions, not just the starters. And Schierholtz was presumably let go for budget reasons.

why do you think it was for budget reasons? He barely gets paid anything. They probably thought he sucked at baseball (which until this year he did)

Barry Jive wrote:why do you think it was for budget reasons? He barely gets paid anything. They probably thought he sucked at baseball (which until this year he did)

I think he was viewed as redundant because of Nix. Which is awesome. In a terrible way.

Bill McNeal wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:@DennisDeitch: Phils have spent $4.75 million on outfielders this season & $70 million on a starting rotation. That's lopsided. You're doing it wrong.

An outfield of Brown, Revere and not Delmon would have been fine, its not about the money, its the talent.

really. the rays starting OF currently is Joyce (2.45 million), jennings (0.5 mil), and whatever myers makes, like 0.4 mil or whatever.

It is about talent, not about dollars (although it's not like our OF is overflowing with cheap talent). The broader point is about resource allocation.

Since he took over as GM Rube has signed a number of agreements for expensive talent. There's no question Rube likes him some pitching. For the pitching staff, he's signed Halladay, Lee, Papelbon and Hamels. There's also little question as to his loyalty. He's signed Howard, Rollins, Hamels and (soon, apparently) Utley to expensive contracts.

On the other hand, Rube hasn't signed an impact hitter from outside the organization since December 12, 2008 (unless you want to count Delmon Young).

I'm sure Rube has had his reasons and it may not mean anything at all but, given the money he's spent on pitching and Phils' vets since he took over, I think it's pretty remarkable the last impact bat he signed from outside the organization was Raul Ibanez.

Schierholz non-tendering reaction here. Cartersdad wins (with some added Tommy Joseph foreshadowing)

viewtopic.php_f=1&t=14262&hilit=schierholz+tender&start=480.html

Barry Jive wrote:why do you think it was for budget reasons? He barely gets paid anything. They probably thought he sucked at baseball (which until this year he did)

Uh, no he didn't.

Schierholtz has been good, but it really doesn't matter. He wouldn't have made a difference (except that I wouldnt have to see Delmon Young as much). The only thing that irritates me about Schierholtz is that his non-tendering reminds of Nix getting a two year deal which makes me unhappy.

TenuredVulture wrote:... The team isn't this bad, ...

Sure it is. It's a hanful of good (but mostly aging) players with the rest of the roster occupied with AAAA talent. This is a bad team. A poorly assembled roster.

Nasty Nate has 1.9 owar(baseball reference), revere has 1.4 and Brown has 2.9 and Delmon has 0.00

Justin Upton has 2.4, bj - 1.1, Heyward .8

I mean I get that the allocation is screwed up, but spending money does not equal production.