Grotewold wrote:

sydnor wrote:minor correction - he wouldn't have had a choice about playing time if we offered arb.

Is that realistic? I've never known the Phillies to dog someone like that. Especially a guy like Schierholtz with a reputation for whining about PT. Which is why he was our property in the first place.

It's incredibly realistic. "Hey, you go in as our starting rightfielder (or you go in with a chance to compete). We know you can hit righties which is the bulk of the playing time. We'll give you a chance to hit some lefties at first, if you do so, great. If not, we're going to use Mayberry. Also, here's your check for 2 million dollars. Shut up and sit in the corner."

That was beyond easy.

I was pretty staunchly anti-hamilton

Barry Jive wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:right, so if you forget all the years where he was bad, he's been good

No you are right, years of recent work should not be weighted heavier. Almost no one improves in their age 26-28 seasons.

Then we can forget about last season, when he sucked. You should have mentioned this earlier to strengthen your argument.

103 OPS+ seems fine for a player with irregular playing time to me.

"irregular" meaning "platoon"?

Grotewold wrote:

phdave wrote:

smitty wrote:I had forgotten about the BSG GMs and their desire to get Youklis for 3B this season. At least he wouldn't be hurting the team from the DL.

The one good thing about this season is we have a lot of guys who will be easy to replace.

I just looked at Youkilis's stats and his $12 million price tag. The nice thing about being a GM on a message board is that you don't have to actually live with the consequences of any decisions.

Hamilton would have saved us

You look at that thread and see pining for Youkilis and Hamilton. I look and see pre-defending a Pagan signing.

Maybe we can at least agree that the offseason (and season) turned out to be a fucking nightmare. We can disagree as to whether anything could have been done differently/better.

Shore wrote:Maybe we can at least agree that the offseason (and season) turned out to be a fucking nightmare. We can disagree as to whether anything could have been done differently/better.

No I wouldn't go that far with the offseason. Even as optimistic as I am, I saw it as an approach to patch up a flawed team with little cost/risk beyond 2013

Barry Jive wrote:"irregular" meaning "platoon"?

Aren't you forgetting about the broken toe in mid-August? I remember him playing well with the Phillies up to that point (but I may be wrong), albeit over something like a two-week stretch. It's safe to say that he wasn't healthy the rest of the year.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:"irregular" meaning "platoon"?

Aren't you forgetting about the broken toe in mid-August? I remember him playing well with the Phillies up to that point (but I may be wrong), albeit over something like a two-week stretch. It's safe to say that he wasn't healthy the rest of the year.

In his first 11 games with the Phillies (37 PAs) his line was .219/.278/.344/.622

His numbers were better in September.

Memory's a bitch, ain't it?

I would absolutely be a terrible GM. Doesn't mean the real GM needs to be terrible too.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Memory's a bitch, ain't it?

Yeah I was on-board with what you were saying until I looked it up. I think I remember his first game in which he had two hits and hit a game winning home run and remember being impressed. But that was the only home run he hit.

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=23546265

phdave wrote:
His numbers were better in September.

Yikes, and that was only true because he went 7 for 9 in his final three starts of the season. Until that point, he was 11 for 57 as a Phillies.

He was better than John Brite Bowker or T. J. Bohn.

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:... The team isn't this bad, ...

Sure it is. It's a hanful of good (but mostly aging) players with the rest of the roster occupied with AAAA talent. This is a bad team. A poorly assembled roster.

I meant as bad as their August record.

Dom is 2/2 with a hr at lakewood

any word on whether he flipped his bat and initiated the aeropimp for takeoff around the bases?

Napalm wrote:any word on whether he flipped his bat and initiated the aeropimp for takeoff around the bases?

Thread title hasn't been changed yet, so I'm guessing no.

I'm not too worried about this franchise being in an extended run of suckitude like the mid 80's-90's were (93 excluded). With the TV deal looming and decreased ticket revenue and TV ratings the ownership just can't sit around twiddling their thumbs anymore. The best thing about the 5 year run was in effect it dramatically altered expectations. The ownership, fans, and the city started acting like the 4th largest media market in the country and invested accordingly. Things can't go back to the way they were, nobody will put up with it this time.

Yatta!

Projected 2014 Draft Order
Pick Team W L W% GB
1 Houston Astros 36 74 0.3273 0.0
2 Chicago White Sox 40 69 0.3670 4.5
3 Miami Marlins 43 67 0.3909 7.0
4 Milwaukee Brewers 47 64 0.4234 10.5
5 Chicago Cubs 49 62 0.4414 12.5
6 Minnesota Twins 48 60 0.4444 13.0
7 San Francisco Giants 49 61 0.4455 13.0
8 New York Mets 49 60 0.4495 13.5
9 Philadelphia Phillies 50 61 0.4505 13.5
10 Toronto Blue Jays 51 60 0.4595 14.5
11 Toronto Blue Jays [1]

Roger Dorn wrote:I'm not too worried about this franchise being in an extended run of suckitude like the mid 80's-90's were (93 excluded). With the TV deal looming and decreased ticket revenue and TV ratings the ownership just can't sit around twiddling their thumbs anymore. The best thing about the 5 year run was in effect it dramatically altered expectations. The ownership, fans, and the city started acting like the 4th largest media market in the country and invested accordingly. Things can't go back to the way they were, nobody will put up with it this time.

Sure, but there is great potential for an extended run of mediocrity due to bad management and decisions based on short-term gambles.