Productive Outs - Phillies Random Thoughts

by **dajafi** » Sat May 11, 2013 20:47:07

Zambrano plus Delmon would be fun. Maybe they'll hire Ozzie Guillen when they can Charlie.

by **Bob Loblaw** » Sat May 11, 2013 20:56:49

dajafi wrote:Zambrano plus Delmon would be fun. Maybe they'll hire Ozzie Guillen when they can Charlie.

What's John Rocker doing?

by **usctrojans31** » Sat May 11, 2013 23:14:40

etched Chaos wrote:Or how about and this is a novel idea, we don't swap Howard for the god-awful Dunn and suffer the contract instead of trying to offload him for a hitter who is historically bad right now and is 2 seasons removed from hitting .159 over 500 PA's. Adam Dunn's only benefit to the Phils would be to cut 45mill of Ryan's remaining contract. You still have to pay the man 30mill over the next two seasons and what do you get for that 30mill? Ben Revere type numbers from a 1Bman without the defensive or baserunning benefit. Or you could DFA him and be on the hook for 30mill anyway when nobody bothers to pick him up.

Ignoring your patronizing and sardonic undertones, I will focus on the actual content. I said that you would save $75 M, which is the difference between the two contracts. Howard is owed $105 M and Dunn $30 M. Even if you wind up eating the Dunn contract, which would essentially be no different than sending $30 M along with Howard for a mediocre prospect, you still save Howard's money. Howard has not been above a 2 WAR since 2009, yet accounts for 13% of this year's payroll, 24% of next years (admittedly we know little of its construction). Even if the team gets replacement level production from Dunn and above average production from Ruf, the club STILL benefits. Hell, even if the club gets replacement level production from Ruf and eats Dunn's contract, there are still ancillary benefits.

You assumed that I have some sort of desire for Dunn. My desire is to get rid of Howard.

by **etched Chaos** » Sat May 11, 2013 23:24:09

Pick a better guy to trade him for, I find the idea of trading for Adam Dunn as abhorrent and completely mad. You're trying to justify trading for Adam Dunn who is finished as a way of offloading Howard, when it makes zero sense, yes zero sense. You could probably offload Howard and eat less of the contract than it'd cost to have Adam Dunn hit under .200 for.

So again, pick someone else.

by **The Dude** » Sat May 11, 2013 23:56:27

be pretty hard to save more than $75 mil on that

by **usctrojans31** » Sun May 12, 2013 00:12:11

Besides the contract, the problem with Howard is fit. The best possible fit is probably with Balitmore, which has a pedestrian .504 OPS from designated hitters. The Orioles farm is pretty thin outside of the top two, but in Howard's case, taking a lesser prospect for more salary relief is a better option. The Orioles aren't exactly known for free-spending, so the financial problems are compounded.

by **BigEd76** » Sun May 12, 2013 13:19:13

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by **cartersDad26** » Sun May 12, 2013 13:36:16

Two off days in one week? Wtf.

Will phils skip Cloyd and let Lee pitch on normal rest Friday? That usually isn't Charlie's style. I have tix for next Saturday so I'm curious if it'll be Lee or KK.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun May 12, 2013 13:37:47

cartersDad26 wrote:Two off days in one week? Wtf.

Will phils skip Cloyd and let Lee pitch on normal rest Friday? That usually isn't Charlie's style. I have tix for next Saturday so I'm curious if it'll be Lee or KK.

Cloyd was sent back down after his start.

by **BigEd76** » Sun May 12, 2013 13:39:01

BigEd76 wrote:Cloyd sent down, De Fratus called up, 4-man rotation for the next 10 days

So Pettibone/Hamels vs the Indians and Lee/Kendrick/Pettibone vs the Reds

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Sun May 12, 2013 13:44:36

BigEd76 wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:Cloyd sent down, De Fratus called up, 4-man rotation for the next 10 days

So Pettibone/Hamels vs the Indians and Lee/Kendrick/Pettibone vs the Reds

Is Cloyd going to pitch vs Miami then?

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun May 12, 2013 13:55:28

Phillies DP combination of the future? Cesar Hernandez (2B) and Freddy Galvis (SS)

by **BigEd76** » Sun May 12, 2013 14:03:50

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:Cloyd sent down, De Fratus called up, 4-man rotation for the next 10 days

So Pettibone/Hamels vs the Indians and Lee/Kendrick/Pettibone vs the Reds

Is Cloyd going to pitch vs Miami then?

yea, probably Tuesday

by **dajafi** » Sun May 12, 2013 14:05:06

If they deal Jimmy, yes. But otherwise I could see Freddy at third next year (or later this year), with Hernandez at second.

Of course, that would require getting some offense from those guys that stand behind them.

by **cartersDad26** » Sun May 12, 2013 14:41:36

IIRC Isn't there a minimum time you have to stay in the minors unless there's an injury?

by **Rockinghorse** » Sun May 12, 2013 14:48:59

Think it's 10 days which would work out if Cloyd's recalled Tues May 21

by **smitty** » Sun May 12, 2013 15:51:27

The Phillies haven't really done a lot well so far this season. But for a team that hates to walk, they've drawn only 7 fewer walks than league average. This is after a really horrible early stretch where they hardly walked at all.

The great Washington Nationals have walked even less than the Phils.

I think Chooch Ruiz returning to a good hitting walk drawer and Domonic Brown getting good would help them a lot.

Wishful thinking perhaps but I'm far from giving up on this bunch. The Halladay situation really hurts but if they start winning some Hamels starts, we might see some good things ahead.

Of the nearly 50 Phillies teams I have followed over the years, this club isn't even close to being the least likable or whatever. Once favorite prospects Cesar Hernandez, Cameron Rupp and Cam Perkins arrive, I'll like them even more better.

by **Soren** » Sun May 12, 2013 15:57:58

Schielholtz age 29 season:112 PAs .291/.333/.524
John Mayberry Jr during his age 27 season: 179 PA .301/.358/.607

Schielholtz had a 97 OPS+ for his career before this year. Can we knock off the hindsight hand wringing please?

by **ReadingPhilly** » Sun May 12, 2013 16:02:12

He was a cheap option who would've been a great platoon player. Thankfully we have Delmon to run out there daily.

by **Wheels Tupay** » Sun May 12, 2013 16:07:11

Schielholtz would arguable be our best OF right now.

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