Productive Outs - Phillies Random Thoughts

by **usctrojans31** » Sat May 11, 2013 09:52:47

To echo others' sentiment, the fact that I'm bored and barely pay attention to the team when it is on TV is a strong sign that there's a problem. If it were a young team, watching the growth is exciting. If it is a powerhouse offense, great, put up 20. The team is just ugly. Let's just hope Middleton buys out the owners, rips apart the FO, and we can actually create a productive team and a long-term plan.

by **danrosz** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:03:00

Decided I enjoy offense over pitching. Watching a team that can't hit sucks.

by **bleh** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:36:06

Michael Young has 9 RBI. And he's batting almost exclusively 3rd and 5th in the lineup. That's on pace for 41 RBI.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:41:08

Not to mention runs scored. .781 OPS, hitting in the middle of the lineup, on pace to score 61 runs.

by **Trent Steele** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:46:21

bleh wrote:Michael Young has 9 RBI. And he's batting almost exclusively 3rd and 5th in the lineup. That's on pace for 41 RBI.

the 4 guys who bascially have batted in front of him so far have OBPs of .277, .289, .299, and .327. Combined with Young's .089 ISO...welp

by **JFLNYC** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:53:12

It's really a shame because, if you had told me before the season that Young was going to OPS .781 with steady defense, I'd have been very happy. He's just not a middle-of-the-order bat anymore. More like middle-of-the-odor, amirite?

by **ReadingPhilly** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:57:36

107 pa .296/.340/.541 135 wRC+

vs. rhp 89 ab .315/.358/.584 153 wRC+

non-tendering schierholtz might've been the worst move in a total shitstorm of an offseason.

by **dajafi** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:59:13

IMO Manuel is the greatest manager in Phillies history and it's not even close. But I'm starting to think we've reached a point where, for this team at this time, his flaws outweigh his strengths.

They don't play sharp baseball. Almost every night, there's a baserunning mistake, or an error, or a failure to execute. The sabermetric orthodoxy is to denigrate "the little things," but if you don't have the saber basics--guys who get on base, mash dingers or both, and pitchers who strike out a crap ton of guys without issuing walks--you'd fucking better do those little things to have any chance of winning. And you'd better get the little decisions right--like leaving in Bastardo to face the lefty leading off the 8th, and to hell with roles.

When the Phils won five straight division titles, they had enough raw talent to overcome their occasional mistakes. They also made less of them, probably (and ironically) because there wasn't so much pressure with every at-bat. This was Manuel's sweet spot as a manager who let his players play, gave clarity and confidence around roles, and was strategically predictable in a way more good than bad. (We won't talk about Brad Lidge in 2009.)

But that team's gone and I'm not sure this manager is right for this team. If we had a detail-oriented nut like Buck Showalter, I have little doubt the Phils would have at least 3-4 wins than they do.

by **Polar Bear Phan** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:20:04

Roger Dorn wrote:The problem is Amaro won't get the boot. He will blame it on Halladays injury and he will blame the players for not executing. Nevermind that his offseason plan was to hope and pray that Halladay would return to normal, the two Youngs and Revere would provide a boost to the offense, and the bullpen performance last year was a fluke so everything would be fine this year.

Pretty sure if we dip into the mid-70s or worse he's gone. If we win ~80, he'll probably get another year.

by **td11** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:37:11

ReadingPhilly wrote:107 pa .296/.340/.541 135 wRC+

vs. rhp 89 ab .315/.358/.584 153 wRC+

non-tendering schierholtz might've been the worst move in a total shitstorm of an offseason.

fuck

by **bleh** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:38:39

There's no way he's gone this year, and probably not next year either. Ed Wade had 8 years, and he didn't have half Rube's success. Plus everyone hated Wade. Ruben is at least a good company guy, and doesn't spaz out and throw chairs, and people seem to like him. Plus morale seems to be pretty good. It's not like the Red Sox where everyone was lashing out over the manager in the press and stuff (as it was in Wade days too). I could see Ruben being with the team for the next 4 years and not have more than 85 wins once.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:42:46

People are pining for the 90s now!

We have truly arrived as POS jerk off fans

by **Barry Jive** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:47:16

dajafi wrote:But that team's gone and I'm not sure this manager is right for this team. If we had a detail-oriented nut like Buck Showalter, I have little doubt the Phils would have at least 3-4 wins than they do.

Maybe part of the argument is that with a detail-oriented manager they'd be performing better on the field, but as the team is currently constructed they're just not a .500 team. I'm not sure the outlook would be any better if they'd luckboxed their way to a hot start, either. They're not a very good baseball team, plain and simple. I don't think a different manager would do much to change that.

but you know, I don't even care. Winning is a luxury. Baseball is baseball. We've been extremely fortunate to have a great team over the past few years. We're a little unfortunate now. But we've got a baseball team and that's cool.

by **drsmooth** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:02:29

Barry Jive wrote:
dajafi wrote:But that team's gone and I'm not sure this manager is right for this team. If we had a detail-oriented nut like Buck Showalter, I have little doubt the Phils would have at least 3-4 wins than they do.

Maybe part of the argument is that with a detail-oriented manager they'd be performing better on the field, but as the team is currently constructed they're just not a .500 team. I'm not sure the outlook would be any better if they'd luckboxed their way to a hot start, either. They're not a very good baseball team, plain and simple. I don't think a different manager would do much to change that.

but you know, I don't even care. Winning is a luxury. Baseball is baseball. We've been extremely fortunate to have a great team over the past few years. We're a little unfortunate now. But we've got a baseball team and that's cool.

I'm with Barry; I'm probably a case of too much Bill James absorption, but I don't think the 2nd coming of Connie Mack would produce more positive results from the current roster

by **td11** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:05:03

Cuck Showalter would squeeze another .050 ISO points out of this team, at least

by **joe table** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:15:55

Bunk Moreland would detect the missing offense

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:46:16

ReadingPhilly wrote:107 pa .296/.340/.541 135 wRC+

vs. rhp 89 ab .315/.358/.584 153 wRC+

non-tendering schierholtz might've been the worst move in a total #$!&@ of an offseason.

Too bad charlie loves JMJ

by **JFLNYC** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:48:08

bleh wrote:There's no way he's gone this year, and probably not next year either.

Agreed. The best we can hope for -- and it's a slim hope -- is that Rube's learned that having a lineup with only 2 guys with a .300 or better OBP, including leadoff hitters with .280 or worse OBP, is suboptimal. But, again, it's a slim hope.

by **BigEd76** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:48:18

magelb
Phillies outfielders have a .615 OPS, worst in baseball. The next closest is Oakland at .650. Incredible discrepancy.

By the way, Nate Schierholtz leads the NL in doubles with 12. He's hitting .296/.340/.541 with Chicago.

by **z ipper** » Sat May 11, 2013 13:44:14

they're so shitty in so many ways that things like slip by cause of the avalanche of shit. can't even wrap my mind around a .615 of ops. what's the record? and did that team have 160m payroll?

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