jamiethekiller wrote:

Eem wrote:I won't ever talk shit on Feliz

Dude was dirt cheap, had some big hits, and could fucking pick it

very clutch hitter in 2008

WFC

knocked in the WS clinching run. I'll love him forever.

The B1G Piece wrote:

Napalm wrote:

The answer: This is how Manuel handles young players.

stopped reading there, because he did the same with chooch, so no

when Utley, Howard, Rollins, Wertz, Vic, Yimmy, Pedro were mashing the shit out of the ball.

he most certainly was not as good a hitter in 08 or 09, so what are we talking about? i was referring to the last few seasons. He finally got to hit 4th and 5th last year, but in '10 and '11, the majority of his AB's were in the 7 or 8 hole.

understood...just saying the 10 and 11 teams had a least one bonafide hitter (wertz and vic), plus a less stinky versions of Howard (30HR/100RBI). 13 version is full of guys with OPS at or below .700...at least give him a shot.

carlos deserved to hit higher and the daily posts on bsg serve as a reminder. you think we're all clamoring hard for dom brown to hit cleanup? you should have seen what it was like to have chooch hit 7th over and over again. it was mind bottling

Soren wrote:knocked in the WS clinching run. I'll love him forever.

Him running to first base while clapping and Franzke's call of that play are etched in my mind forever

lineups don't matter guys

Napalm wrote:carlos deserved to hit higher and the daily posts on bsg serve as a reminder. you think we're all clamoring hard for dom brown to hit cleanup? you should have seen what it was like to have chooch hit 7th over and over again. it was mind bottling

Yep, just sucks to see the same shit day-in, day-out.

Dom is on pace for 28 BB w/ 570 ABs. Someone on another forum compared him to Shawon Dunston:

1986 = 21 BB w/ 581 ABs (August of that season, he had a walk on the 1st and none after that)
1988 = 16 BB w/ 575 ABs
1990 = 15 BB w/ 545 ABs (1 walk in April, 1 walk in May)
1997 = 8 BB w/ 490 ABs (No walks in July (108 PAs) or September (74 PAs), and 1 walk in August)
1995 = 10 BB w/ 477 ABs

Charlie Manuel is a baseball clairvoyant.

any guesses on the line up tonight?

Ben
Jimmy
Dom
Howard
D Young
Galvis
Kratz
Hernandez

BigEd76 wrote:Dom is on pace for 28 BB w/ 570 ABs. Someone on another forum compared him to Shawon Dunston:

1986 = 21 BB w/ 581 ABs (August of that season, he had a walk on the 1st and none after that)
1988 = 16 BB w/ 575 ABs
1990 = 15 BB w/ 545 ABs (1 walk in April, 1 walk in May)
1997 = 8 BB w/ 490 ABs (No walks in July (108 PAs) or September (74 PAs), and 1 walk in August)
1995 = 10 BB w/ 477 ABs

If only he hadn't shown good patience in every month except this one eh?

ek wrote:

Ace Rothstein wrote:any guesses on the line up tonight?

Ben
Jimmy
Dom
Howard
D Young
Galvis
Kratz
Hernandez

revere
frandsen
rollins
howard
young
brown
kratz
galvis

This

Dom's fielding is improving guys, he's gone from -5.5 on Fangraphs to -4.1...

etched Chaos wrote:Dom's fielding is improving guys, he's gone from -5.5 on Fangraphs to -4.1...

Grades out well with Miss Cleo

Saying he wasn't "mashing the fucking hell out of the ball" =/= talking shit.

And my recollection is that it lasted much longer than the flush years of 2007-11. Charlie kept Chooch low in the order even with Chase and Ryan out of the lineup early last season.

He actually gained more WAR's from that than he has being POTW lol.

Just looked it up. The lineup on 5/1/12:

Rollins
Polanco
Vic
Pence
Wiggy
Nix
CHOOCH
Galvis
Cole

At the time, Chooch was hitting .309 with an .838 OPS. It looks like he moved up later that week and was anywhere from 4th to 6th (!) for the rest of the year. But he started 20 games in the 7-hole and 11 games in the 6-hole in 2012.

I think we can all agree that Charlie is set in his view of where his guys should hit and is slow to move guys up. That MO generally has worked out fine for him, so I'm not going to jump up and down about Dom getting one or two fewer ABs per month by batting sixth instead of fifth, but let's not make up excuses for him either.

There's also something to be said for Dom getting to watch a starting pitcher for a full inning before having to face him. He also doesn't have to face the really tough LOOGYs, which are being used on Howard's corpse (and previously on Utley).

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Saying he wasn't "mashing the fucking hell out of the ball" =/= talking shit.

And my recollection is that it lasted much longer than the flush years of 2007-11. Charlie kept Chooch low in the order even with Chase and Ryan out of the lineup early last season.

yeah about a 5th of his 2012 PAs were from the 7th spot, but hardly any from the 8th.

2012: 421 PA total

batting 4th-- 138 PA
batting 5th-- 132 PA
batting 6th-- 46 PA
batting 7th-- 86 PA
batting 8th-- 9 PA

2011: 472 PA total

batting 4th/5th-- none
batting 6th-- 118 PA
batting 7th-- 206 PA
batting 8th-- 130 PA

it worked for him when his 3/4 hitters were Utley and Howard and he had some combination of Burrell, Wertz, Ibanez and Victorino to plug in.

2008-2011:
Burrell (08 only)
.250/.367/.507, 125 OPS+
WERTZ(08-10)
.279/.376/.513 in 1810 PAs, 133 OPS+
Ibanez (09-11)
.264/.329/.469 in 1776 PAs 111 OPS+
Victorino(08-11)
.281/.348/.452 in 2555 PAs, 111 OPS+

It's kind of hard to guess wrong when you have multiple guys knocking the piss out of the ball