Productive Outs - Phillies Random Thoughts

by **Rockinghorse** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:00:01

I'm sure I don't watch as many games as a few years ago, but I used to love shots of hitters chatting with Cholly in the dugout shortly after an at-bat. J-Roll especially seemed to do this a lot. It gave me the sense that Manuel was still an effective hitting advisor while he managed. But I can't remember the last time I saw an exchange like that on TV.

by **bleh** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:14:08

Papelbon has a 0.96 ERA. That's not bad.

by **wwry** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:25:14

for me to poop on

by **uncle milt** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:32:20

nailed it

by **ReadingPhilly** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:37:05

he's not ready. pointless to call him up even if he was.

by **heyeaglefn** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:40:43

ek wrote:all these kids get called up with little minor experience with other squads but they just keep Biddle in AA

You are confusing Biddle as a top MLB prospect and not just a top Phillies prospect.

by **PhillieMooDo** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:42:11

I didn't mention Charlie's dismissal because I think he's at fault here. I've never felt he was a particularly good manager, but was perfect for the 08-10 type teams. But, this roster is just abysmal right now, and I think it's on the cruel side to let him manage it out, when it's pretty much a given he's gone. Frame it as "stepping down", no need to fire the guy.

I also agree that at least there's a chance Sandberg would be willing to platoon the guys that need platooning (Howard, Mayberry), and maybe the move wakes a couple of these fuckers up.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:42:55

ek wrote:i hear ya. i know that kid is being called by the cards who has started 11 games total in the minors and the orioles called up Gausman. was just thinking why not biddle but if he's not ready, then he's not ready

he can definitely use the whole season down there. both wacha and gausman were advanced college guys. i'd take biddle over wacha fwiw.

by **Eem** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:47:12

Honestly I'd prefer they not rush Biddle

by **Grotewold** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:47:50

I'll be pissed if they fire Charlie

by **Soren** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:51:58

Eem wrote:Honestly I'd prefer they not rush Biddle

by **FTN** » Tue May 28, 2013 13:57:28

ReadingPhilly wrote:
ek wrote:i hear ya. i know that kid is being called by the cards who has started 11 games total in the minors and the orioles called up Gausman. was just thinking why not biddle but if he's not ready, then he's not ready

he can definitely use the whole season down there. both wacha and gausman were advanced college guys. i'd take biddle over wacha fwiw.

yea this.

i'd say at this point, biddle is a surefire top 50 guy, likely close to a top 25 guy. hes put up results at AA despite being one of the youngest pitchers at that level across the 3 double A leagues.

gausman and wacka were polished college pitchers. gausman obviously has big upside, a mid-upper 90s fastball and a good changeup, but wacka is a mid rotation starter. biddle has the tools to be a solid #2. theres no need to rush him. he might get the bump to AAA at the end of this year, he'll start there next year, and then he'll make his debut sometime in 2014. no need to rush him.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Tue May 28, 2013 15:11:09

I really like Charlie but his demeanor this season has showed me that he has one foot out the door. He constantly cracks jokes and has a la-di-da attitude during interviews and the camera catches him at least once a game joking around and laughing in the dugout with Mick Billmeyer (maybe this clown is better off in the bullpen). I just don't see the desire to manage this team. He's also at the stage of his career where he doesn't seem to want to piss off any players, particularly Rollins, Howard, etc. If that's the case, he needs to go. Whether he gets fired now or leaves at the end of the year, it will not affect his legacy in Philly.

by **TheAAGuy** » Tue May 28, 2013 15:46:02

Dom Brown named NL POTW.

by **etched Chaos** » Tue May 28, 2013 15:47:15

TheAAGuy wrote:Dom Brown named NL POTW.

Woot!

by **Youseff** » Tue May 28, 2013 15:47:19

“Yeah, I could see myself in Boston. I could see myself pitching in New York. You know me. I’ve always been the kind of guy who … I don’t really just settle, or accept things. Whatever happens in my future is going to happen. I’m not blind to that fact.

Papelbon contradicting himself within 3 seconds.

by **Eem** » Tue May 28, 2013 16:14:51

Doll Is Mine wrote:Whether he gets fired now or leaves at the end of the year, it will not affect his legacy in Philly.

Totally agreed

Even the mouthbreathers of the fanbase would agree this is Amaro's mess

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Tue May 28, 2013 16:58:40

Shore wrote:But... people shouldn't expect better, or even different, results from Sandberg.

A few months ago, when people were enthusiastic of a potential Sandberg skippership, I was curious so I googled and such for anything I can find (articles, quotes, etc.) that could give me some indication of his managerial style/philosophy. Some of what I found that tempered my enthusiasm were things like he's firey, has a strong preference for "gamers", very much tied to roles, and someone saying (with regard to his old-schooliness) he probably doesn't even know what OPS is yet alone anything more advanced (paraphrasing). I was left feeling there's a good possibility he'd be Larry Bowa redux.

If any of that is true, I can see the FO firing Manuel in favor of Sandberg to placate the WIP crowd if attendence/interest declines further.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Tue May 28, 2013 17:06:34

Why exactly is Howard trying to play thru this knee injury ? It's been bothering him since the start of the season and it hasn't gotten better with a cortisone shot. If he can't hit with power he's close to useless so just get the surgery now and fix it.

by **Rococo4** » Tue May 28, 2013 17:41:44

Lee should hit tonight and leave young on the bench and have galvis play 3rd. Or have Delmon young not play. Know it would never happen

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