PTOITWCFTPP wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:Wrt to the run differential issue, I did not read the jaffee article, so the run differential is -34 on the season right, but our run differential in games started by Halladay, who is no longer on the active roster, is -31.

Halladay was replaced in the rotation by Tyler Cloyd

+3 run differential with Cloyd

:results:

Not anymore.

threecount wrote:Has anyone come up with a name yet for the title of the 2013 Year in Review Phillies DVD?

Should be a classic...

Eight Men Out.

I hate this team

I'm on Cape Cod. I thought it was nice that I could catch some of a Phillies game on TV while on vacation.

Until the game actually happened.

BigEd76 wrote:

threecount wrote:Has anyone come up with a name yet for the title of the 2013 Year in Review Phillies DVD?

Should be a classic...

2013: Bye Charlie!

It's becoming meaner to not fire him at this point.

It's upsetting to me that Charlie is going to take the fall for this clusterfuck.

I think Charlie wants out. Clearly he knows what's happening and realizes that he can't do much about it. The guy has been so great over his tenure that it would be uncouth (and pointless--if anything the team probably has overperformed compared to its talent) to fire him in season, but come October I think they'll mutually agree to part ways.

dajafi wrote:I think Charlie wants out. Clearly he knows what's happening and realizes that he can't do much about it. The guy has been so great over his tenure that it would be uncouth (and pointless--if anything the team probably has overperformed compared to its talent) to fire him in season, but come October I think they'll mutually agree to part ways.

Charlie is not and never will be the problem. He has proven that he can get a team that does not suck to the playoffs and can win it all. What more do you need to know?

nycphils wrote:

dajafi wrote:I think Charlie wants out. Clearly he knows what's happening and realizes that he can't do much about it. The guy has been so great over his tenure that it would be uncouth (and pointless--if anything the team probably has overperformed compared to its talent) to fire him in season, but come October I think they'll mutually agree to part ways.

Charlie is not and never will be the problem. He has proven that he can get a team that does not suck to the playoffs and can win it all. What more do you need to know?

Not sure if serious

If so, we agree

I agree Cholly isn't a problem and they should let him finish the season, but I suspect they won't. The franchise operates like it's still a heartbeat away from the WS and does everything "by the book" which says if you have a high payroll and are floundering two years in a row, you try to "light a fire" by canning the manager.

I think if we have a prolonged slump like losing 11 of 13, he'll be fired at that point. If that doesn't happen (and it shouldn't, really) then they'll do it some time after the ASB when it's obvious there won't be a playoff push.

Bad May:

MY10 - .171/.284/.256
RH6 - .228/.282/.405

::results::

i honestly dont know what to say regarding charlie.

during the halcyon days, he really just had to stay out of the way. when we had a big offense, he filled out mostly the same lineup every day and the players mashed. when we started to become more pitching-centric in 2010, he still filled out the same lineup with the same hitters (who were on the decline) and let his 4 big starters just do their thing.

the last 2 seasons, hes been dealt a different hand. a shitty lineup, the pitching hasn't been as good, and the results have followed. even when we were trucking along, he made a lot of bizarre decisions that seemed to work out. now, they aren't working out as frequently.

hes certainly not to blame for the construction of this pile of garbage roster. but the team has also been sloppy and hasn't executed in a number of simple situations. you can be a team without a lot of talent, but if you play smart baseball, you'll still win your share of games. i dont have confidence in his ability to manage tight games or to outwit the opposing manager with his bench/bullpen moves. his biggest strength was always his ability to motivate, manage egos, and get the team to perform when the chips were down. last year, they didnt flip the switch. this year, they are plodding along a course of mediocrity, losing a bunch of close games, and not hitting at all.

i dont blame him for putting these 25 players on the field, but its his job to get the most out of them. im not sure hes done that job. but i dont think that was ever his strength anyway. when we were mashers, he just let them mash and we won games. when we had dominant pitching, he just let them dominate and we won a ton of games. now we have neither, and we're middle of the road. im sure this is his last season. its hard to really get on him when you consider what hes done for this organization. but at some point, its time for a change and time for a fresh voice. i get the feeling that guys like rollins have tuned him out. which isn't all that surprising, all things considered.

I'm pretty confident Charlie is gone, I'm just pissed that it's going to be him taking the fall and Rube is just gonna be all

I like Charlie. Managers, to me, have the potential to do more harm than good. If he can motivate players to some degree, and not be a moron, he's good for me.

That said, I'm fine if Charlie goes, because he shouldn't have to captain the USS Amaro to the bottom of the sea.

But... people shouldn't expect better, or even different, results from Sandberg.

The one thing I would hope from Sandberg (not expect), is more of a willingness to platoon players and flat-out bench Howard. I wonder if Charlie is so tied to Howard in the #4 hole that it's not even a question for him.

My opinion of Rube would actually improve if he just totally dumped Howard, no matter how much the Phillies have to eat, and admitted a mistake

The Phils are one of four teams that still haven't scored 10+ runs in a game yet. The others are the Cubs, White Sox and Dodgers

Eem wrote:My opinion of Rube would actually improve if he just totally dumped Howard, no matter how much the Phillies have to eat, and admitted a mistake

at the very least, sit him against every LHP. i think he can still hit righthanded pitching to some degree, so hes not completely worthless. but if hes hurt, he shouldnt be playing, and he certainly shouldnt be facing lefties.

I agree with Floppy's earlier analysis. Charlie's not responsible for putting together this roster, but he is responsible, for example, for continuing to hit a guy who ranks 23rd among MLB 1B in OPS in the cleanup spot against LHP and, as manger, he has to take responsibility for sloppy base running and defensive play. The talent in the lineup is so thin that they can't afford the kind of mistakes they seem to make every game and, for better or worse, the manager has to take responsibility for that.

He's had a great run with the Phils, but nothing is forever and Charlie's time with the Phils is over. It's time for him to move on with our eternal gratitude for the good times.

It's looking like his 2002 Indians team at the end of their run, but at least those guys had a monster Thome crushing shit even though 6 of the 9 regulars ended up with at least a dozen GIDPs each, Vizquel was the only guy on the team that had double-digit SBs, and three SPs had 11 losses