WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

by **smitty** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:37:40

Ruf will be a monster.

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 14:14:03

You can nitpick about whether guys like Marson and Donald are real-world MLB starters (they aren't), but the general point is fairly legit. Should change with DOM and I expect d'Arnaud and Gose will be real players. Part of it is organizational draft philosophy that focuses on pitching (and pretty effectively), part of it is the fact that they have had anchors at C, 1B, 2B, SS and CF for the last 6-7 years, which resulted in trades (two bad ones with Houston in my view). Part of it is they have sucked at drafting position players. I don't know how big of a deal it is right now, but it is going to be a big deal soon, so I hope we have the right guys in Quinn, Asche, Joseph, etc....but it would beyond idiotic to expect any of these guys to be anything close to the once-in-a-lifetime talents of Utley/Rollins and to a far lesser extent Chooch and Howard.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 15:04:44

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves lineup: Simmons ss, Heyward rf, JUpton lf, Freeman 1b, BUpton cf, Uggla 2b, CJohnson 3b, Laird c, Hudson p

by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 15:12:19

Doll Is Mine wrote:David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves lineup: Simmons ss, Heyward rf, JUpton lf, Freeman 1b, BUpton cf, Uggla 2b, CJohnson 3b, Laird c, Hudson p

I predict pain for those 9

by **Monkeyboy** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 15:23:24

Ace Rothstein wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves lineup: Simmons ss, Heyward rf, JUpton lf, Freeman 1b, BUpton cf, Uggla 2b, CJohnson 3b, Laird c, Hudson p

I predict pain for those 9

Yes.

by **smitty** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 16:18:23

Trent Steele wrote:You can nitpick about whether guys like Marson and Donald are real-world MLB starters (they aren't), but the general point is fairly legit. Should change with DOM and I expect d'Arnaud and Gose will be real players. Part of it is organizational draft philosophy that focuses on pitching (and pretty effectively), part of it is the fact that they have had anchors at C, 1B, 2B, SS and CF for the last 6-7 years, which resulted in trades (two bad ones with Houston in my view). Part of it is they have sucked at drafting position players. I don't know how big of a deal it is right now, but it is going to be a big deal soon, so I hope we have the right guys in Quinn, Asche, Joseph, etc....but it would beyond idiotic to expect any of these guys to be anything close to the once-in-a-lifetime talents of Utley/Rollins and to a far lesser extent Chooch and Howard.

I pretty much agree. Mason and the Donald aren't much good.

D'Arnaud is the best C prospect around and he could be good as soon as this season as long as he stays healthy. Singleton the doper is the best 1st base prospect in MLB. He should be pretty good if he's lays off the chorch some.

I'm not even sure about Gose though. He still has some weaknesses that might derail him. But he's certainly has potential.

Brown MIGHT be real good.

Bourn has been very good.

That's about it.

Position players have not been a strength in their drafting. They have gone for a bunch of tool sheds. Hewitt was a real long shot but had possibilities. None of the rest of those guys have really panned out much yet. Collier has a chance to step up this season I guess.

Domingo Santana was very young in the hitter friendly Cal League last season and put up some really nice (but inflated) numbers. It will be interesting to follow him.

by **phdave** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 18:52:11

Marson and Donald were very good at being traded for Cliff Lee.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 19:41:40

It's hard to find good position players to draft.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 19:48:40

JFLNYC wrote:It's hard to find good position players to draft.

Ain't that the truth.

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 19:49:01

speaking of Donald, he was DFA'd by the Reds

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 19:57:37

Ben Revere ‏@BenRevere9
Just landed in the ATL shawty..

Ben Revere ‏@BenRevere9
Wheres my crew at??

:lol:

by **smitty** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 20:00:39

JFLNYC wrote:It's hard to find good position players to draft.

They're all good when they're drafted. They were stars some where. Most of them don't stay good for long. As they advance, the best of them become prospects and then maybe hot prospects. Some of them fizzle at AA and AAA or wait until they hit the show to bomb out.

The few. The very few actually become good big leaguers.

Drafting is a funny game.

Except for when the government does it. Greetings! No one laughed at that one.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 20:54:32

Other teams have trouble drafting, too.

by **ashton** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 23:47:04

Howard was actually drafted in 2001. In 2002 we got Cole Hamels and not much else.

by **mcare89** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 23:54:48

JFLNYC wrote:It's hard to find good position players to draft.

I get that you're being facetious, but the argument that they haven't had high first round picks to draft high-end high school bats seems like a fair point.

The organizational philosophy for the last however long I can remember has centered around pitching and tools guys. Some of the tools guys panned out. Brown, even if he doesn't become a star, has to be considered a tools guy that was/is something of value. Bourn and Gose also panned out. Now, obviously, for every one of them, there's a couple Greg Golsons and Anthony Hewitts, but when you either draft in the low 20's or use your pick to sign free agents to help load up the big club, of course it's tough to draft impact bats. Arms aren't necessarily easier to develop, but when they're developed, you can always trade pitching for offense. You can't always trade offense for pitching.

by **mcare89** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 23:55:31

Barry Jive wrote:speaking of Donald, he was DFA'd by the Reds

SHOULDA KEPT DONALD

by **phdave** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 23:57:10

Sign him and trade Rollins.

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 05:34:34

Rube has determined that good positional prospects are overvalued.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 14:30:18

Revere
Rollins
Chase
Ryan
Young
Dom RF
Mayberry LF
Kratz
Hamels

by **Grotewold** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 14:36:22

Mayberry is kind of interesting. He has good numbers vs. HUDDY, but so does Nix

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