WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

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Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Mar 28, 2013 22:55:01

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby karn » Thu Mar 28, 2013 23:27:56

jesus christ they need to bring in a horticulturalist to figure out how to get the ivy wall to finish or something its been what 10 years

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Postby phdave » Thu Mar 28, 2013 23:35:23

Takes a long time to get ivy to grow into the shape of Southwest Airlines.

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 00:00:05

z ipper wrote:is there a predict their record topiv??


I axed the same question. Apparently no, and I'm too lazy to make one.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Barry Jive » Fri Mar 29, 2013 03:19:50

SK790 wrote:
bleh wrote:
SK790 wrote:Too late. Sports on Earth has us behind the Mets


Kyle Kendrick and John Lannan at the back of the rotation will spell disaster. I see the unit being good to start the season, but as injuries take their toll on the team behind them and the Mets' young pitchers step up, I think the Mets will pass them both in overall quality of rotation and in the standings. Understand: this is nothing against Hamels or Lee. I just don't think the pieces around them will allow them succeed this year to the level they have in the past.

Love how they talk about Halladay being in decline but the Mets are depending on Johan Santana and Shaun Marcum who can't even get on the field. They're basically saying Matt Harvey and Zach Wheeler who have pitched a combined 10 major league games are better than Hamels & Lee.

Unless these are the supposed young hurlers who are going to step up:
Niese: 26, career 4.06 ERA
Gee; 26, career 4.06 ERA
Hefner: 27, career 5.09 ERA

Lannan: 28, career 4.01 ERA
Kendrick: 28, career 4.30 ERA

A lot of his Mets analysis depended on Niese being the great pitcher he was the 2nd half of 2012 and Harvey and Wheeler becoming quality MLB pitchers fast. Niese's BABIP went from around .315-.335 in 2009-2011 to .272 last year. His LD% stayed roughly the same, while his GB% actually went down. I don't think relying on a 2012 Jon Niese as the crux of your argument is a good bet.


what i also found especially weird was the mention that the Blue Jays wanted Niese before they got Dickey. uh, yeah. Dickey is a 38-year-old knuckleballer with 1 year/$5 million left on his deal and Niese was a 26-year-old lefty with 4/25 + two years of club options left. every league GM would prefer Niese and every league GM would tell you Dickey was the better pitcher in 2013.
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Postby JFLNYC » Fri Mar 29, 2013 07:02:51

That's because for most people, the Dickey's above the Niese.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby bleh » Fri Mar 29, 2013 08:30:46

Fangraphs projects the Mets to win 74 games :lol:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... s-wrap-up/

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby BigEd76 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:05:25

Brookover says get used to this next year:

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Howard/Galvis/Rollins/Asche
Ruf or Gillies/Revere/Brown
Hamels/Lee/Biddle? Pettibone? Martin? Morgan?

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:20:42

those grits

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby WheelsFellOff » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:21:25

Dem gritties
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Postby uncle milt » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:22:26

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Postby jamiethekiller » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:27:18

good game, lets eat grits!

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby WheelsFellOff » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:29:40

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Postby BigEd76 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:29:43

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:32:23

BigEd76 wrote:Brookover says get used to this next year:

Joseph
Howard/Galvis/Rollins/Asche
Ruf or Gillies/Revere/Brown
Hamels/Lee/Biddle? Pettibone? Martin? Morgan?


It's entirely conceivable that the opening-day lineup in 2014 could have Cody Asche at third base, Freddy Galvis at second, and Tommy Joseph at catcher.


No, it's not. I'd bet the house on it.

Speaking of bets, Bovada has us 16-1 to win it all. Same as the Braves and Rays. Nationals 7-1, Tigers and Blue Jays 8-1.

I think I like the Phils and Braves the most, value wise.

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby FTN » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:32:43

top free agents available after this season

robbie cano
tacoby bellsbury
granderson
shin choo
brian mccann
spaz pentz

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Postby CalvinBall » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:46:31

we will sign no one

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Barry Jive » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:47:38

that Pence guy can hit
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Postby FTN » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:55:32

i think you make a huge offer to cano. understanding that there is a good chance he could fall off a cliff in 4 years like every 2b does at the end of their career. but hes a 5-7 win player and worth $20m per year for at least the next 4 years. you're paying for his age 31-37 years if you give him a 7 year deal. because he is a middle infielder, i think he'll get less than that. i think 6/150 gets it done.

we're currently paying utley $15m per. halladay makes $20m per. so if you replace those 2 with cano and one of the young arms, you're "saving" $10m.

i think the other offer should be to granderson. his batting average has plummeted in recent years, but its coincided with a huge power spike. ISOs of .221, .290 and .260 the last 3 years, with BB rates over 10% all 3 years and average defense in CF. move him to LF. move brown to RF.

since he'll be 33 next april, its probably a 3-4 year deal with a high AAV. figure he gets 4/60. thats $15m per. when you factor in the "savings" of $10m from the above cano for halladay/utley swap, we've added $5m total to the payroll.

if joseph replaces ruiz, you've then essentially balanced the books. the rotation is then only the big 2. but we should have some money to get a decent #3. there are always plenty of interesting arms available. and that also assumes only one of morgan/biddle/ethan martin/pettibone is ready to step up. we certainly dont want to use morgan, kendrick and lannan in the rotation next year, but i see morgan as the replacement for lannan, meaning we'd need 1 more SP.

the only downside to this plan is it would make us extremely LH heavy. but im not really worried about that now.

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