WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:30:46

joe table wrote:Well you wouldn't want him getting thrown out with anyone up. But in a vacuum a CS at the top of the lineup seems more damaging because it takes away an RBI opportunity from the middle of the order hitters (vs. the pitcher)

I like him hitting 8th because I think 1) his walk rate would be maximized there, meaning his OBP would also be maximized (more OBP also gives him more opportunities to exploit his baserunning value) and 2) if you have him attempt to steal every time before the pitcher bunts him over, you can bootstrap some runs if the pitcher can bunt him over. From what I've seen he fast enough to steal early in the count even when they suspect it's coming.


Agreed. He's not any better than a .340 OBP guy and he might not get more than 20 extra base hits if you give him 600 PA (he hasn't hit a fly ball yet this year). We should be minimizing his ABs because he just isn't a productive hitter.

I like him, but 120 fewer PA distributed to other members of the lineup (mostly Rollins and Utley) far outweighs the difference in SB between batting 1st and 8th
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:31:53

Trent Steele wrote:I like him, but 120 fewer PA distributed to other members of the lineup (mostly Rollins and Utley) far outweighs the difference in SB between batting 1st and 8th


I might agree if Rollins were better against LHP recently. But then again in that case I'd probably like him fifth. Not sure there's a big difference in any of those scenarios though.

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:33:02

I would give real consideration to batting Revere 9th.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:33:48

Trent Steele wrote:I would give real consideration to batting Revere 9th.


What's the current line of thinking on that? Feel like LaRussa got ripped for it by the more scientific minded fans even though there was good basis?

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:35:50

Grotewold wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:I would give real consideration to batting Revere 9th.


What's the current line of thinking on that? Feel like LaRussa got ripped for it by the more scientific minded fans even though there was good basis?


I thought the general consensus was that it really didn't matter, and that LaRussa was doing it because he's LaRussa and therefore it's a douchey move.

In reality, Hamels and Lee are far more likely to hit a flyball to the gap than Revere.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:36:46

Trent Steele wrote:I thought the general consensus was that it really didn't matter, and that LaRussa was doing it because he's LaRussa and therefore it's a douchey move.


Ah. I forget who LaRussa deployed at #9, but it does make a lot of sense for Revere particularly

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:37:19

Trent Steele wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:I would give real consideration to batting Revere 9th.


What's the current line of thinking on that? Feel like LaRussa got ripped for it by the more scientific minded fans even though there was good basis?


I thought the general consensus was that it really didn't matter, and that LaRussa was doing it because he's LaRussa and therefore it's a douchey move.

In reality, Hamels and Lee are far more likely to hit a flyball to the gap than Revere.


I'm overstating it, but the ISO for Revere and Hamels probably isnt that much different
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:39:24

Grotewold wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:I thought the general consensus was that it really didn't matter, and that LaRussa was doing it because he's LaRussa and therefore it's a douchey move.


Ah. I forget who LaRussa deployed at #9, but it does make a lot of sense for Revere particularly


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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby my cousin mose » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:21:24

Wheels Tupay wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:I thought the general consensus was that it really didn't matter, and that LaRussa was doing it because he's LaRussa and therefore it's a douchey move.


Ah. I forget who LaRussa deployed at #9, but it does make a lot of sense for Revere particularly


Was it Skip Schumaker?

If I had to purely guess, I'd say Brendan Ryan

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby The B1G Piece » Tue Apr 09, 2013 13:17:09

or maybe David Eckstein!

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Apr 09, 2013 13:21:22

So many gritty white guys not enough nine holes in the lineup.
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