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Postby Werthless » Thu Jan 24, 2013 15:43:10

Woody wrote:I don't think you need to be a SABR GM to realize that Laynce Nix and Delmon Young are ass. Nix is still here, ffs

Yeah, but GMs dont get fired over a million here, a million there. They get fired for signing your league average 1B to a $125MM extension through his mid 30s. Hopefully.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby BigEd76 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 15:44:13

PhillieMooDo wrote:
WheelsFellOff wrote:
phatj wrote:
Woody wrote:I forgot that we signed John Lannan

Fuck

this is the dickpunch that keeps on dickpunching

Maybe he'll break the Uptons' hands?


Too bad he only hits lefties

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby PhillieMooDo » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:04:39

BigEd76 wrote:
PhillieMooDo wrote:
WheelsFellOff wrote:
phatj wrote:
Woody wrote:I forgot that we signed John Lannan

Fuck

this is the dickpunch that keeps on dickpunching

Maybe he'll break the Uptons' hands?


Too bad he only hits lefties

D'oh!
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby smitty » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:06:43

PhillieMooDo wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
PhillieMooDo wrote:
WheelsFellOff wrote:
phatj wrote:
Woody wrote:I forgot that we signed John Lannan

Fuck

this is the dickpunch that keeps on dickpunching

Maybe he'll break the Uptons' hands?


Too bad he only hits lefties

D'oh!


Lannen is not only in the best shape of his career and finally over the nagging injuries that have plaugued him this past decade and a half, but he started a throwing program with the objective of breaking the hands of both lefties AND righties.
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:29:42

The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:32:09

JFLNYC wrote:The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.


So the team that came into last season the Vegas favorite is not only doomed this season but has no sellable pieces? C'mon.

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:48:53

Houshphandzadeh wrote:maybe they are silently committed to a rebuilding/retooling and think holding on to Asche, Franco, Biddle and the ga
ng is a better route than adding someone like Upton - who I don't think would have everyone here saying it puts us back on top of the NL East on paper - to an aging core


I wonder when the braves are going to go through a rebuild

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:56:14

Grotewold wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.


So the team that came into last season the Vegas favorite is not only doomed this season but has no sellable pieces? C'mon.


What kind of fool asks a rhetorical question?
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Soren » Thu Jan 24, 2013 16:57:45

JFLNYC wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.


So the team that came into last season the Vegas favorite is not only doomed this season but has no sellable pieces? C'mon.


What kind of fool asks a rhetorical question?

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby 702 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:13:41

Warszawa wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:maybe they are silently committed to a rebuilding/retooling and think holding on to Asche, Franco, Biddle and the ga
ng is a better route than adding someone like Upton - who I don't think would have everyone here saying it puts us back on top of the NL East on paper - to an aging core


I wonder when the braves are going to go through a rebuild

They're going on another 13 year division run.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:15:30

I think the offense, even with the Youngs, will score enough runs to win.

This season will ultimately come down to whether or not Halladay can be a dominant #1 again, whether or not Mike Adams can hold leads in the 8th, and lastly, whether or not Utley and Howard can stay healthy.

If those three things go our way, we make the postseason.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:17:37

Grotewold wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.


So the team that came into last season the Vegas favorite is not only doomed this season but has no sellable pieces? C'mon.


This is kind of a weird point. Who cares what they were in March in Vegas? They won 81 games with the oldest team in MLB. They haven't gotten better this year, but they have gotten older. Hopefully, they have gotten healthier.

I wouldn't say they are doomed.

I think it's entirely fair to say that they are likely a mediocre team with almost no parts that would provide meaningful return in a trade.
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:21:40

Trent Steele wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.


So the team that came into last season the Vegas favorite is not only doomed this season but has no sellable pieces? C'mon.


This is kind of a weird point. Who cares what they were in March in Vegas? They won 81 games with the oldest team in MLB. They haven't gotten better this year, but they have gotten older. Hopefully, they have gotten healthier.

I wouldn't say they are doomed.

I think it's entirely fair to say that they are likely a mediocre team with almost no parts that would provide meaningful return in a trade.


I'm just saying, you don't go from odds-on favorites to chumps in one year. Especially since there was concern over Utley and Howard and, to a lesser extent, Halladay last March.

And we couldn't get much for Utley, Ruiz, Halladay, Lee, or Papelbon in July (assuming they were playing well)? I really doubt that. I know Lee's deal is heavy, but he's very good. And Papelbon's new team would be committing to less than the Nationals just did for Soriano.

The sky is not falling.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby FTN » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:38:49

the day grote turns is the day the window has well and truly closed.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby td11 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:49:01

grote has endless patience for you guys, my eyes just glaze over. trent was right, this shit bores me.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Wizlah » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:49:32

Grote, I'd rather not base my analysis on what Vegas thinks is a lock for a season. They are in the business of making money off people gambling, not putting together winning baseball teams.

that's before we get to the point that this is what Vegas thought last year.

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Postby td11 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:50:44

bupton and jupton
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby Wizlah » Thu Jan 24, 2013 17:51:36

td11 wrote:grote has endless patience for you guys, my eyes just glaze over. trent was right, this shit bores me.

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in fairness, you are prepared to look at numbers, and tend not to feel compelled to be a happy clappy sap to offset everyone's doom and gloom.

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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby allentown » Thu Jan 24, 2013 18:22:15

JFLNYC wrote:The only problem with rebuilding is that our prospects range from "meh" to "suck" and there are no vets on the roster likely to get us a haul of prospects. Absent some sort of alchemy, there's gonna be some lean years ahead.

I don't agree at all. The Phillies have a lot of vets who could be extremely helpful to a contender in a deadline deal. They are over-flowing with such players. They have to be healthy and playing tolerably well for a sucky Phillies team for deals to be likely, but I can't really think of anyone who would be a more attractive trade target than Halladay, Papelbon, Utley. If one of the Youngs turns it around by mid-year, he could bring back a little in return. If the Phillies are really going to pack it in and go with kids, Ruiz would also bring a big, big return from the right pennant contender. Adams could bring a decent return. With that you've written off 2014 into total rebuild mode, but 2015 could look pretty good. For 2014 you go with the kids: Brown, Ruf, Galvis, Asche, Martin, Biddle, Pettibone, Aumont, DeFratus, Rosenberg, Joseph/Valle, Hernandez, Gillies.
We now know that Amaro really is running the Phillies. He and Monty seem to have ignored the committee.
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Re: "Still have our 1st-rd pick!" & other random Phils thoug

Postby throwinrocks » Thu Jan 24, 2013 18:29:44

allentown wrote: For 2014 you go with the kids: Brown, Ruf, Galvis, Asche, Martin, Biddle, Pettibone, Aumont, DeFratus, Rosenberg, Joseph/Valle, Hernandez, Gillies.


thats a 60 win team

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