The OLD Halladay/Smug thread is HERE

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:40:18

CFP wrote:Blanton, Taylor, Bastardo to Jays plus cash to pay for Blanton. We get Halladay and Carlson. Everyone is happy. Book it.

2010 payroll too high when you include cash to Jays. Won't happen.

by **joe table** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:40:24

MLB office hasn't granted the Phillies permission to negotiate with Halladay -- yet. Might not have an announcement today. But looks close. 7 minutes ago from web

John Paul morosi

by **Didn't I?** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:40:29

Trent Steele wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Now the question: Is there a scenario where:

1. We keep Lee
2. We keep Blanton
3. We get money from Jays
4. We keep both Drabek and Brown?

I'm thinking there's not. The price for keeping Lee is getting $$ from the Jays and the price for that money is Drabek and Brown -- or so I fear. The consolation would be keeping Happ, though:

Halladay
Lee
Hamels
Blanton
Happ

Yes. It involves hostages, waterboarding, and a truckload of speedballs.

So you're saying Amaro can pull it off.

by **traderdave** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:40:41

dajafi wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:We are so lucky to have a GM who works this hard and is this creative. I'm dead serious.

And to think, there was Phillies fans who dreaded Amaro getting the job.

I was in that boat.

We don't have concepts adequate to express how much better he's been compared to my expectations.

Ditto!

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:40:46

MLB office hasn't granted the Phillies permission to negotiate with Halladay -- yet. Might not have an announcement today. But looks close.

-Morosi

by **Doll Is Mine** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:41:18

joe table wrote:
MLB office hasn't granted the Phillies permission to negotiate with Halladay -- yet. Might not have an announcement today. But looks close. 7 minutes ago from web

John Paul morosi

Fuck you MLB!

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:41:56

phorever wrote:
FTN wrote:Halladay will be better than Lee over the next 5 years too, fwiw

prove it

111, 102, 72, 168, 131

v

184, 143, 120, 152, 155

Halladay was better than Lee last year. Has a much better track record. And is a massive groundball/control/innings eating pitcher. His decline is going to be gradual, if he declines at all any time soon. His last two seasons were elite. His "down" in 2007 was better than anything Lee had done up till 2008. I just think he's the better pitcher, by a substantial margin.

by **Mountainphan** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:41:59

lowcountry wrote:
Mountainphan wrote:Lee won every game in the playoffs. Halladay at best can only match that. To beat a team like the Yankees or even the Red Sox, we need both in the rotation.

Having both, even if it's just for one year, makes us damn near unbeatable in a 7 game series.

This. Worry about 2011 in 2011.

Thanks, but that's not me.

by **lowcountry** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:42:07

joe table wrote:
MLB office hasn't granted the Phillies permission to negotiate with Halladay -- yet. Might not have an announcement today. But looks close. 7 minutes ago from web

John Paul morosi

which doesn't mean they aren't negotiating. :lol:

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:42:10

Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

by **stevemc** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:42:33

seems odd. If the team allows it, how does MLB step in? And why would they?

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:42:37

JFLNYC wrote:Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

Me.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:42:49

JFLNYC wrote:Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

me

by **dsc25** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:42:54

phorever wrote:
FTN wrote:Halladay will be better than Lee over the next 5 years too, fwiw

prove it

FWIW, PECOTA has Halladay at 17.5 WARP over the next 6 years compared to Lee at 13.2.

(If you want 5 year comparisons, Halladay at 15.7 and Lee at 12.1.)

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:43:09

JFLNYC wrote:Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

Just money, no bullpen piece?

I'd probably be okay with that.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:43:24

JFLNYC wrote:Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

I want no part of trading Drabek. None.

by **dajafi** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:43:47

JFLNYC wrote:Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

I'd rather deal Happ plus, of course, and keep one or the other.

But your five is a pretty devastating rotation.

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:44:02

oh man, dsc25 came out of the woodwork!

we're doing this!

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:44:04

So, are Drabek+Brown worth Lee in 2010 + 2 draft picks? Probably. But I can understand why Amaro wouldn't do it.

And remember - something like 30% of the Phils postseason starts in 08-09 were made by pitchers who weren't here in June.

Have faith in Rube.

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 16:44:14

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Who's OK with Drabek and Brown if it means we get $$ from Jays and keep Lee, Blanton and Happ?

me

Me, too. I'm thinking this may be what goes down and the only remaining question is whether RAJ can get Halladay to defer some 2010 $$. What a rotation we'd have in 2010!!!

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