Bob Loblaw wrote:

Didn't I? wrote:Remember when the most exciting trade of the season was Endy Chavez for Marlon Byrd?

Seen what Byrd's been doing in Tx? Gave up on him way too soon.

Woody wrote:2.82 ERA since May 1

dajafi wrote:I'm really having trouble even processing how you can't $#@! love this deal.

The gulf between the value of what we would have had to give up for Doc vs. what we actually did give up for Lee, plus the $8 million or so we're saving, seems like it dwarfs the gulf in quality between Lee and Doc.

Philly the Kid wrote:

dajafi wrote:I'm really having trouble even processing how you can't $#@! love this deal.

The gulf between the value of what we would have had to give up for Doc vs. what we actually did give up for Lee, plus the $8 million or so we're saving, seems like it dwarfs the gulf in quality between Lee and Doc.

Doesn't mean the trade will "work," but it was 100 percent the right decision unless you think an extra 24-48 hours might have backed off Ricciardi to the point where he would have accepted the lesser offer for Doc, AND you're sure that a competitor wouldn't have swept in and snagged Lee if he didn't.

What JFLNYC wrote about negotiating tactics and not rubbing the other guy's nose in it seems on target here.

Let me be really clear. It's a great deal. No question. On many levels. That's not my issue. My issue is, that I think Halladay is a better pitcher/player and was there to be had. The reason for NOT getting him was an issue of what we had to give up. Most of which was theoretical. If Lee turns out to be a stud for the Phils and contribute to WFCs then it was a brilliant alternative. If however, the increase in performance from Halladay would have ended up being the diff between a repeat or three-peat and not -- then the saving a prospect(s) is really self-defeating.

I'm not trying to rain on the excitement. It's a great deal, we are a better club, we filled a need, we saved top talent on the farm which I hope will matter eventually etierh in future deals or on the field for the big club. I just was salivating at the prospect of getting perhaps THE best pitcher in baseball with plenty left in his arm on the team I'm devoted to... that's all...

Again, not saying they blew it or the deal is lousy or Cliff Lee is Loshe or anything like that... if Halladay had never been available or decided to not waive his NTC or whatever ... I'd be as excited as the rest of you -- its just tempered by the fact that Doc Halladay was there and I was envisioning him in Phillies colors this weekend... I'll be a big rooter for Cliff Lee!

The economics part is good too, as it will help if he falters or gets hurt to have more dough. Again -- Halladay is worth what he makes...

I won't say more... not trying to dampen or mute the joy in BSG-landia

philliesphhan wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:

dajafi wrote:I'm really having trouble even processing how you can't $#@! love this deal.

The gulf between the value of what we would have had to give up for Doc vs. what we actually did give up for Lee, plus the $8 million or so we're saving, seems like it dwarfs the gulf in quality between Lee and Doc.

Doesn't mean the trade will "work," but it was 100 percent the right decision unless you think an extra 24-48 hours might have backed off Ricciardi to the point where he would have accepted the lesser offer for Doc, AND you're sure that a competitor wouldn't have swept in and snagged Lee if he didn't.

What JFLNYC wrote about negotiating tactics and not rubbing the other guy's nose in it seems on target here.

Let me be really clear. It's a great deal. No question. On many levels. That's not my issue. My issue is, that I think Halladay is a better pitcher/player and was there to be had. The reason for NOT getting him was an issue of what we had to give up. Most of which was theoretical. If Lee turns out to be a stud for the Phils and contribute to WFCs then it was a brilliant alternative. If however, the increase in performance from Halladay would have ended up being the diff between a repeat or three-peat and not -- then the saving a prospect(s) is really self-defeating.

I'm not trying to rain on the excitement. It's a great deal, we are a better club, we filled a need, we saved top talent on the farm which I hope will matter eventually etierh in future deals or on the field for the big club. I just was salivating at the prospect of getting perhaps THE best pitcher in baseball with plenty left in his arm on the team I'm devoted to... that's all...

Again, not saying they blew it or the deal is lousy or Cliff Lee is Loshe or anything like that... if Halladay had never been available or decided to not waive his NTC or whatever ... I'd be as excited as the rest of you -- its just tempered by the fact that Doc Halladay was there and I was envisioning him in Phillies colors this weekend... I'll be a big rooter for Cliff Lee!

The economics part is good too, as it will help if he falters or gets hurt to have more dough. Again -- Halladay is worth what he makes...

I won't say more... not trying to dampen or mute the joy in BSG-landia

Do you even know how Lee is pitching this year? Cause your earlier post said you hope he "gets it together" in Philly.

CalvinBall wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:

dajafi wrote:I'm really having trouble even processing how you can't $#@! love this deal.

The gulf between the value of what we would have had to give up for Doc vs. what we actually did give up for Lee, plus the $8 million or so we're saving, seems like it dwarfs the gulf in quality between Lee and Doc.

Doesn't mean the trade will "work," but it was 100 percent the right decision unless you think an extra 24-48 hours might have backed off Ricciardi to the point where he would have accepted the lesser offer for Doc, AND you're sure that a competitor wouldn't have swept in and snagged Lee if he didn't.

What JFLNYC wrote about negotiating tactics and not rubbing the other guy's nose in it seems on target here.

Let me be really clear. It's a great deal. No question. On many levels. That's not my issue. My issue is, that I think Halladay is a better pitcher/player and was there to be had. The reason for NOT getting him was an issue of what we had to give up. Most of which was theoretical. If Lee turns out to be a stud for the Phils and contribute to WFCs then it was a brilliant alternative. If however, the increase in performance from Halladay would have ended up being the diff between a repeat or three-peat and not -- then the saving a prospect(s) is really self-defeating.

I'm not trying to rain on the excitement. It's a great deal, we are a better club, we filled a need, we saved top talent on the farm which I hope will matter eventually etierh in future deals or on the field for the big club. I just was salivating at the prospect of getting perhaps THE best pitcher in baseball with plenty left in his arm on the team I'm devoted to... that's all...

Again, not saying they blew it or the deal is lousy or Cliff Lee is Loshe or anything like that... if Halladay had never been available or decided to not waive his NTC or whatever ... I'd be as excited as the rest of you -- its just tempered by the fact that Doc Halladay was there and I was envisioning him in Phillies colors this weekend... I'll be a big rooter for Cliff Lee!

The economics part is good too, as it will help if he falters or gets hurt to have more dough. Again -- Halladay is worth what he makes...

I won't say more... not trying to dampen or mute the joy in BSG-landia

Do you even know how Lee is pitching this year? Cause your earlier post said you hope he "gets it together" in Philly.

He is 7-9... What else is there to know? Guy sucks.

bleh wrote:you ever just hear a name and immediately think "man, there is no way that guy will be a star." ive brought it up before, and probably gotten $#@! on for it, but seriously, Cliff Lee...not a star, sounds like a football player.

when he busts in a few years, remember me

bleh wrote:you ever just hear a name and immediately think "man, there is no way that guy will be a star." ive brought it up before, and probably gotten $#@! on for it, but seriously, Cliff Lee...not a star, sounds like a football player.

when he busts in a few years, remember me

bleh wrote:you ever just hear a name and immediately think "man, there is no way that guy will be a star." ive brought it up before, and probably gotten $#@! on for it, but seriously, Cliff Lee...not a star, sounds like a football player.

when he busts in a few years, remember me