Cliff Lee is a Phillies!!! We did it!

by **Squire** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:45:57

Is it possible we could trade Rodrigo Lopez for a prospect?

SQUIRE

by **WilliamC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:46:06

Brantt wrote:Stark on 950........

-Reiterates, FROM WHAT HE HEARD TODAY, HAPP IS GOING TO THE BULLPEN when Pedro is ready

I just find this very hard to believe. I don't expect him to be as good as he's been the rest of this year but he is definitely a better number four then Moyer at this point(and I absolutely love Moyer) even though Moyer has come around recently.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:46:43

but Moyer isnt going to the pen.

He'd have to anally rape a donkey at this point to get yanked from the rotation.

by **Werthless** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:46:50

TenuredVulture wrote:Could we trade Happ for some bullpen help or something?

Are you kidding? Happ did pretty well out of the bullpen himself. Or are you talking about Heath Bell or some other other "top" guy. Because I don't bullpen help will be cheap to acquire.

Edit: I'm way too slow at typing.

by **WilliamC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:47:16

Squire wrote:Is it possible we could trade Rodrigo Lopez for a prospect?

SQUIRE

To the Mets for F-Mart

by **bleh** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:47:51

S2D wrote:Heyman will be on WIP in a few.

Eskin is just embarrassing. Keeps whining that the Phillies "didn't do what's best for the franchise over the next two years". Doesn't care about prospects. "Before Cole Hamels, the Phillies had never developed a two time all star pitcher" (some nonsense guage of quality he came up with).

They just won the world series with Happ, Hamels, Myers, Madson, and Kendrick. He's an idiot.

by **BassGuiFloyd** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:49:00

Squire wrote:Is it possible we could trade Rodrigo Lopez for a prospect?

SQUIRE

Maybe, we will probably put him through revocable waivers and try to work out something to whoever claims him.

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:49:03

FTN wrote:He'd have to anally rape a donkey at this point to get yanked from the rotation.

Ruben might actually be down with that sort of thing

by **Werthless** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:50:30

JP is a donkey...

by **702** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:53:06

Happ-Pedro-Lopez-Moyer.

You would think out of the 4...Moyer is the one to go, but because he's older than Jesus himself he gets a free pass from the talks of who goes to the pen or released. It's so irritating that not ONCE have you seen it mentioned.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:54:06

I'm not sure Moyer's pass, if he has one, doesn't come more from being signed next year than from him being old and elderly.

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:55:00

So what are the two moves on the 25 man roster? I'd assume Mayberry gets sent down for Francisco. Does a Register get demoted for Lee and then they simply skip a Lopez in the rotation for the time being?

by **cartersDad26** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:56:25

zomg. such a good deal. Carrasco had really fallen, Donald might only be a utility guy....Marson could be missed and Knapp is so far away.

REPEAT!!!!!!!

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:57:13

cant wait to read BP's take on it tomorrow. ive got my thesaurus ready to decode Kahrl's writeup

by **BIGPHILLY** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 16:58:58

"
-Cleveland has money issues.......they needed to move money off the payroll. Cleveland liked Knapp more than anyone in the entire Phillies system. Stark said as he matures he could possibly throw 100+ "

- The hyperbole is just out of control.

Let me try - "Someday I think Michael Taylor could be a 50-50 man"

by **VFB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 17:01:12

Cliff Lee II: Naked Partay

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 17:02:21

Indians fans need to remember this trade and hope for the best.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 17:03:55

ESPN poll has it favored 87/13 for the Phillies

by **Eem** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 17:04:26

JFLNYC wrote:Indians fans need to remember this trade and hope for the best.

Or this one.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseba ... eanalysis/

by **Trent Steele** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 17:08:46

Neyer

• For the Phillies, the key to this trade is not 2009. Adding Lee ups their chances of qualifying for the Big Baseball Tournament from 75 percent to something like 80 percent, and their chances of winning the tournament from maybe eight percent to 10 percent (and yes, I'm just sort of making up those two numbers). Where Lee really helps the Phillies is next season, when they'll have him for six full months (at least). This will be portrayed a short-term deal, when in fact it's a medium-term deal.

• Considering how much less money Lee makes than Roy Halladay, and considering how much less the Phillies had to give up to get Lee than they would have to have given up to get Halladay, Ruben Amaro deserves a great deal of credit for this choice. His next big chore? Developing all those young players he wouldn't give to the Blue Jays.

• I think the Indians got a fine haul. Everyone's going to fixate on the Indians not getting the Phillies' best prospects, but that speaks more to the Phillies' incredible wealth of prospects more than anything else. As I've written at least a couple of times, Carlos Carrasco is an excellent prospect; he might be the Indians' best starter as soon as next summer.

• You know how I feel about Class A pitchers: most of them won't wind up being worth a bucket of lukewarm spit. But this Class A pitcher the Indians are getting, Jason Knapp, throws 97 and has struck out 149 professional hitters in 116 professional innings. If you're going to get a Class A pitcher, this is probably the best kind to get.

So let's call it a win-win. And considering the weakness of the American League Central, I'm not even sure we should heavily discount the Indians' chances of getting into the mix next year.

I think he's probably wrong about the postseason odds (the difference between Lee and Moyer probably is worth more than that) but he seems about right in his assessment. He does not see eye to eye with KLAW apparently

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