Cliff Lee is a Phillies!!! We did it!

by **Brantt** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:14:53

HillMD wrote:
Brantt wrote:Eskin says it's an awful trade by the Phillies.

LMFAO

I tuned in as well. He is now defending himself by saying the Phillies were lucky last year and were especially lucky that they did not have to face the Cubs.

He's like a jealous little schoolgirl stood up for the prom.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:15:28

"Halladay ensures me that the Phils would go to the World Series"

Lee doesn't ensure anything. He's probably too left handed for Howard's liking.

by **MoBettle** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:15:39

GrizzledVeteran wrote:So I guess Mayberry gets sent down and Lopez gets DFAed?

We have Walker and Register on the roster right now. Let Lopez take over Condrey/Park's long man job until he comes back.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:15:41

Brantt wrote:
HillMD wrote:
Brantt wrote:Eskin says it's an awful trade by the Phillies.

LMFAO

I tuned in as well. He is now defending himself by saying the Phillies were lucky last year and were especially lucky that they did not have to face the Cubs.

He's like a jealous little schoolgirl stood up for the prom.

Hey this is a FOOTBALL town :lol:

by **Grotewold** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:16:05

The worst part is when they won the WFC that asshole was on the field with a shirt and hat and bottle of champagne. I hate him in his guts

by **kopphanatic** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:16:51

Grotewold wrote:The worst part is when they won the WFC that asshat was on the field with a shirt and hat and bottle of champagne. I hate him in his guts

Watch after the last pitch, he's one of the first guys on the field.

by **21McBride** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:16:54

lucky we didn't face the Cubs!!!????

they were murdered by the Dodgers, Missanelli said something similar and I had to turn him off

avoid wip avoid 950 avoid avoid avoid avoid

has Eskin mentioned Lee's sub-.500 record or that they're too left-handed?

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:17:08

We're doing it!

by **Trent Steele** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:17:16

Steve Phillips (3:14 PM)

I don't think that JP Riccardi should have traded Halladay for the package that the Phillies gave up for Lee. I understand why Riccardi was asking for the move, because he has arguably the best pitcher in the AL. The trade deadline hasn't passed. There are still teams interested in Halladay. STay tuned because he might come out of this looking good. For the Phillies to get Lee without giving up Drabeck, Happ or either of their outfielders, makes it a remarkable deal for the Phillies.

by **Bakestar** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:17:51

I love when people derisively discuss prospects, as if Utley, Howard, Hamels, Rollins, Myers, etc., were never Phillies prospects.

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:17:52

I actually think Rodrigo Lopez could get us a mid-tier minor league prospect in return come Friday.

by **Philly the Kid** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:18:04

dajafi wrote:I'm really having trouble even processing how you can't $#@! love this deal.

The gulf between the value of what we would have had to give up for Doc vs. what we actually did give up for Lee, plus the $8 million or so we're saving, seems like it dwarfs the gulf in quality between Lee and Doc.

Doesn't mean the trade will "work," but it was 100 percent the right decision unless you think an extra 24-48 hours might have backed off Ricciardi to the point where he would have accepted the lesser offer for Doc, AND you're sure that a competitor wouldn't have swept in and snagged Lee if he didn't.

What JFLNYC wrote about negotiating tactics and not rubbing the other guy's nose in it seems on target here.

Let me be really clear. It's a great deal. No question. On many levels. That's not my issue. My issue is, that I think Halladay is a better pitcher/player and was there to be had. The reason for NOT getting him was an issue of what we had to give up. Most of which was theoretical. If Lee turns out to be a stud for the Phils and contribute to WFCs then it was a brilliant alternative. If however, the increase in performance from Halladay would have ended up being the diff between a repeat or three-peat and not -- then the saving a prospect(s) is really self-defeating.

I'm not trying to rain on the excitement. It's a great deal, we are a better club, we filled a need, we saved top talent on the farm which I hope will matter eventually etierh in future deals or on the field for the big club. I just was salivating at the prospect of getting perhaps THE best pitcher in baseball with plenty left in his arm on the team I'm devoted to... that's all...

Again, not saying they blew it or the deal is lousy or Cliff Lee is Loshe or anything like that... if Halladay had never been available or decided to not waive his NTC or whatever ... I'd be as excited as the rest of you -- its just tempered by the fact that Doc Halladay was there and I was envisioning him in Phillies colors this weekend... I'll be a big rooter for Cliff Lee!

The economics part is good too, as it will help if he falters or gets hurt to have more dough. Again -- Halladay is worth what he makes...

I won't say more... not trying to dampen or mute the joy in BSG-landia

by **Luzinski's Gut** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:18:16

He's a moron. Or as he would say, "yer a stone cold dope"

kopphanatic wrote:Eskin should seriously just stick to covering football

by **philliesr98** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:21:11

Next thread title...

Cliff Lee is a Phillies II: featuring Drabek, Happ, Taylor AND Dominic Brown

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:22:40

Lee + Drabek + Happ > Halladay every day of the week. Rube did better for the organization in the Lee deal than he would have trading for Halladay.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:23:25

I dont think anyone could possibly make the case that Halladay - (Drabek + Brown + Happ) is better than Lee plus keeping our top 3.

Best deal for the Phillies since they got Lidge for peanuts.

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:23:49

stevemc wrote:I actually think Rodrigo Lopez could get us a mid-tier minor league prospect in return come Friday.

It depends on if he has options, if we can send him down and keep him then we could trade him (even past august in a waiver deal) but if he doesnt have options, teams will just wait us out to dfa him.

by **Werthless** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:24:10

stevemc wrote:I actually think Rodrigo Lopez could get us a mid-tier minor league prospect in return come Friday.

Was just gonna post this. Ask for a hardthrower in low A ball, a lottery ticket.

by **The Dude** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:26:15

The Red Tornado wrote:
stevemc wrote:I actually think Rodrigo Lopez could get us a mid-tier minor league prospect in return come Friday.

It depends on if he has options, if we can send him down and keep him then we could trade him (even past august in a waiver deal) but if he doesnt have options, teams will just wait us out to dfa him.

They can send Kendrick down and put him in the bullpen. They don't have to move him off the ML roster

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 15:26:21

Ideally Lopez goes on the DL with a phantom injury for a month, then comes back up in September.

But we really have a lot of starters now.

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