Shore wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:At a time like this I wish they still had Cardenas as a piece to move.

Dustin Pedroia just called, and said Adrian Cardenas sucks.

Yeah, but one of the things I was wondering here is that catcher aside, they don't have any major holes that they can't fill themselves. So would it be more a case of trading them inventory for future trades. That would probably be more valuable than sitting on manny till the end of the season, no?

CalvinBall wrote:

Shore wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:At a time like this I wish they still had Cardenas as a piece to move.

Dustin Pedroia just called, and said Adrian Cardenas sucks.

That's funny. Who wants a bunch of talent anyways?

All I'm saying is that they are old or suck at C, SS, 3B, and CF. (both, suck, old, suck). They MAY want to stockpile talent to flip, or they may want to find a catcher and a centerfielder. Or a SS. Or several other things we might be able to help with.

One position they're neither sucky nor old at is 2B.

And I don't think Cardenas has the upside that many do.

DO NOT WANT.

our starting catcher for the next 5+ years is not worth manny for 2 months and a 1 and done in the playoffs.

hitting isnt the problem. pitching WILL be a problem come september

jamiethekiller wrote:DO NOT WANT.

our starting catcher for the next 5+ years is not worth manny for 2 months and a 1 and done in the playoffs.

hitting isnt the problem. pitching WILL be a problem come september

I'm inclined to agree with the DO NOT WANT sentiment with Manny. Pay his salary for another two months and throw in a marginal prospect, fine. But the problem here is that we didn't get C.C. or Rich Harden. Getting Manny Ramirez does nothing to fix that.

Yes it does. It helps us score more runs, which is a time tested method of winning more baseball games.

So why would the Sox call it quits on the season? They're only a game out of 1st.

Who would he replace? He's been pretty bad against LHP this year, so he might be an offensive downgrade from Werth, and he's for damn sure worse as a fielder. He would be a huge offensive upgrade from Jenkins as the RH part of a platoon, but that's an expensive platoon player, and Jenkins is (I think) a pretty good fielder too.

If he replaces Burrell, well that's just stupid.

CFP wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:The whole Happ thing, combined with the Manny stuff, is just too odd.

Some kind of Marson, Werth, Eaton for Manny deal? I can't even wrap my head around that.

I think Marson, Victorino/Werth, and Carrasco is more likely. Dude, let's be real. Nobody is taking Eaton.

This is insane. Trading the best prospects in the organization for a two month rental who can't play defense and is a head case, and for whom you won't even get picks? Pass.

I think I have been convinced that I want no part of Manny.

phatj wrote:Who would he replace? He's been pretty bad against LHP this year, so he might be an offensive downgrade from Werth, and he's for damn sure worse as a fielder. He would be a huge offensive upgrade from Jenkins as the RH part of a platoon, but that's an expensive platoon player, and Jenkins is (I think) a pretty good fielder too.

If he replaces Burrell, well that's just stupid.

Yeah, I agree with this. Manny when the idea first came up five years ago or whatever it was: Good thinking! Now: Meh. A Burrell/Ramirez corner outfield situation would be pretty goddamn brutal, and I'm not really one to be all that concerned about outfield defense. And, phatj makes a good point that I was kind of wondering, what are the chances that Ramirez significantly outperforms Jayson Werth over two months? And how does this fix our pitching again?

dajafi wrote:

CFP wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:The whole Happ thing, combined with the Manny stuff, is just too odd.

Some kind of Marson, Werth, Eaton for Manny deal? I can't even wrap my head around that.

I think Marson, Victorino/Werth, and Carrasco is more likely. Dude, let's be real. Nobody is taking Eaton.

This is insane. Trading the best prospects in the organization for a two month rental who can't play defense and is a head case, and for whom you won't even get picks? Pass.

I have a hard time seeing a team that complains about the attitude of a Jimmy Rollins going out of their way for a Manny Ramirez.

phatj wrote:Who would he replace? He's been pretty bad against LHP this year, so he might be an offensive downgrade from Werth, and he's for damn sure worse as a fielder.

I think that's what we call a small sample size (79 PA). Lifetime he's got a 1.076 OPS vs. LHP, including 1.095 last year.

This is hysterical that anyone here thinks we're actually getting Manny Ramirez

theycallmeSPIKE wrote:So why would the Sox call it quits on the season? They're only a game out of 1st.

I think the flipping prospects thing is the idea. If they trade Manny, they probably would want to do it in the next day or two, then use the prospects they receive to make a run at somebody... maybe they go after Holliday?

mozartpc27 wrote:I'm inclined to agree with the DO NOT WANT sentiment with Manny. Pay his salary for another two months and throw in a marginal prospect, fine. But the problem here is that we didn't get C.C. or Rich Harden. Getting Manny Ramirez does nothing to fix that.

Of course it does. 12-10 wins are as legitimate as 4-2 wins.

They're more variable, of course, but if you cannot (or do not) improve pitching, improving offense is a viable alternative. With this offense, it's kind of difficult, but Manny does actually significantly improve us.

We have 57 games to go; so far, we score 5 per game, and allow 4.4. If we keep that up, we should go 32-25.

If, by adding Harden, who only pitches 1 out of 5 games, we could lower our team ERA by .4 runs, to 4.0, we could expect to go 35-22.

Instead, by adding Manny, who bats every day instead of Jenkins, we could add .5 runs, to 5.5, but keep the same 4.4 pitching, we could expect to go the same 35-22 as adding Harden.

35-22 gets us to 91-71.

And I'd like to see the NL team we'll see that has a solution for Utley/Manny/Howard/Burrell.

TenuredVulture wrote:

dajafi wrote:

CFP wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:The whole Happ thing, combined with the Manny stuff, is just too odd.

Some kind of Marson, Werth, Eaton for Manny deal? I can't even wrap my head around that.

I think Marson, Victorino/Werth, and Carrasco is more likely. Dude, let's be real. Nobody is taking Eaton.

This is insane. Trading the best prospects in the organization for a two month rental who can't play defense and is a head case, and for whom you won't even get picks? Pass.

I have a hard time seeing a team that complains about the attitude of a Jimmy Rollins going out of their way for a Manny Ramirez.

Also a fine point.

This isn't happening.

It's just fun to talk about.

TenuredVulture wrote:I have a hard time seeing a team that complains about the attitude of a Jimmy Rollins going out of their way for a Manny Ramirez.

Ah, but Charlie has a history with Ramirez. A good one.

Plus there's the other side of it. say we don't bother and the mets grab him? If the sox are determined to lose him, and they throw everything they have at the sox and offer to cover the salary, y'all are going to be feeling great, no?

That's why I'm worried - it feels a bit catch 22. We have to be sure that the mets don't get him, but equally, we could lose everything for a 3 month rental, and then get no compensation in draft picks.